Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo

[The One]

Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.

rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

Chris Paul has 2 things that Rondo doesn't FTs and 3pters.  I don't agree that Rondo is a better defender.  He has taken a big step back in that aspect.

[Clench123]

To me, he is absolutely in the conversation of best pg in the league. My problem with him is the lack of consistent effort, how in the big games he can produce triple doubles but then look average in other games.

If he can bring consistent effort to lead this team I see him averaging 18/11/7 and 2 steals, which would probably be enough to make him the best pg in the league.

Other point guards might have better average production but the ceiling for Rondo's production is the best passer, rebounder, and turnover forcer at his position. I'm hoping that with the team now being on his shoulders he can consistently give us elite effort and agressiveness and take his place as a top 10 player in the league.

He had triple doubles in couple of non televised games this past season which destroys the argument that he only shows up for big games

[Clench123]

Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.

rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

Chris Paul has 2 things that Rondo doesn't FTs and 3pters.  I don't agree that Rondo is a better defender.  He has taken a big step back in that aspect.

And Rondo has the most important thing CP3 doesn't have, a RING.

But he has improved on free throws a bit and has never been known for a 3 pointer.  That was never his game.

[timobusa]

Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.

rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

Chris Paul has 2 things that Rondo doesn't FTs and 3pters.  I don't agree that Rondo is a better defender.  He has taken a big step back in that aspect.

Chris Paul has another thing that Rondo doesn't. He's a Flopper.

[Evantime34]

To me, he is absolutely in the conversation of best pg in the league. My problem with him is the lack of consistent effort, how in the big games he can produce triple doubles but then look average in other games.

If he can bring consistent effort to lead this team I see him averaging 18/11/7 and 2 steals, which would probably be enough to make him the best pg in the league.

Other point guards might have better average production but the ceiling for Rondo's production is the best passer, rebounder, and turnover forcer at his position. I'm hoping that with the team now being on his shoulders he can consistently give us elite effort and agressiveness and take his place as a top 10 player in the league.

He had triple doubles in couple of non televised games this past season which destroys the argument that he only shows up for big games

I didn't say he only showed up in big games, I said he can produce triple doubles in big games and not show up in others. There is a difference between saying he only shows up in big games and saying he is more likely to show up in big games. I said he didn't give consistent effort/stay consistently agressive

[Yogi]

People who have claimed Rondo is the best point guard in the league without any apparent personal agenda.

Magic Johnson
Jason Kidd
Bob Cousy

I wonder if those guys know anything about being the best point guard in the NBA...

[Clench123]

People who have claimed Rondo is the best point guard in the league without any apparent personal agenda.

Magic Johnson
Jason Kidd
Bob Cousy

I wonder if those guys know anything about being the best point guard in the NBA...

lol I know right

[timobusa]

People who have claimed Rondo is the best point guard in the league without any apparent personal agenda.

Magic Johnson
Jason Kidd
Bob Cousy

I wonder if those guys know anything about being the best point guard in the NBA...

Nailed it.

[badshar]

Rondo is not the best pg in the league, sorry to burst your bubble. Tony parker gets the award, for now anyways

...and that is your opinion.

[OsirusCeltics]

People who have claimed Rondo is the best point guard in the league without any apparent personal agenda.

Magic Johnson
Jason Kidd
Bob Cousy

I wonder if those guys know anything about being the best point guard in the NBA...

Cousy is a Celtic

Jason Kidd and Rondo are similar players. Its obvious he sees something in Rondo that is just like him

Magic says positives about everyone. I take it with a grain of salt. He also said Chris Paul should be given a statue when his career is over. Or you've forgotten?

[BballTim]

Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

TP to Timbo for the stats and some reality. Who cares if Chris Paul once made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs? He is an excellent point guard, obviously, but using his playoff success is a horrible argument to prove that. Other than his rookie year, Rondo has never not made it to at least the 2nd round (yes dbl negative). I get that he's had a lot of help, but CP3 hasn't been on awful teams, he just can't turn it on like Rondo can in the playoffs.

Why other gms aren't clamoring for him is unimaginable to me...again, thanks for the vid - a couple of those passes out to Ray for three were ridiculous.

I talked about his playoffs to say with the amount of talent Paul had, Rondo never had to carry a team like that
Its hilarious that many just lookover that he had 3 HALL OF FAMERS he played with, 4 if you count Shaq
And the year Rondo won a title, he was the 4th option, and was benched a number of times during the 2008 NBA Finals

  David West scored more in the playoffs in 2008 than any of Rondo's teammates did in 2010, West and Chandler both had more rebounds than any of Rondo's teammates that year and Rondo got the team to within a game of the title. And Rondo played very well in the 2008 finals, he was never benched for poor play.

The stats of Chris Paul's teammates means nothing without Paul being the main reason they have those scoring stats
Who on that 08 Hornets team besides David West can score more than 10 points a game without a point guard giving them easy looks?..... I didn't find anyone either

  And we all saw what kind of HOFers KG and PP looked like in the playoffs without Rondo when they played the Knicks. We also saw how badly they struggled in 2011 after his elbow injury. If you saw those playoffs, you might have seen that 4th HOFer play, he put in 12 minutes or so.

 

[Yogi]

After all that talk about how Paul had no help with the Hornets, I found it funny that West, Chandler, Belinelli, Landry, Jack, Bayless, Pondexter all went further in the playoffs than Paul did last year after Paul abandoned his team to go to a contender. 

For all the slack Rondo gets, Paul actually left his team and got his coach fired.  Somehow he is still an NBA darling while Rondo who is completely loyal and is constantly raved about by the only coach who ever coached him is a pain. 

[Sketch5]

Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.

rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

Chris Paul has 2 things that Rondo doesn't FTs and 3pters.  I don't agree that Rondo is a better defender.  He has taken a big step back in that aspect.

Chris Paul also has some thing else Rondo doesn't have...A twin brother that works for All State...

I bet his insurance is dirt cheap!

[BballTim]

After all that talk about how Paul had no help with the Hornets, I found it funny that West, Chandler, Belinelli, Landry, Jack, Bayless, Pondexter all went further in the playoffs than Paul did last year after Paul abandoned his team to go to a contender. 

For all the slack Rondo gets, Paul actually left his team and got his coach fired.  Somehow he is still an NBA darling while Rondo who is completely loyal and is constantly raved about by the only coach who ever coached him is a pain.

  It's all perception. I've read dozens of posts claiming that CP3 makes whatever team he's on an instant contender even though he's been in the league for 8 years and hasn't really ever been on a team that was a threat to win the title.

[Yogi]

After all that talk about how Paul had no help with the Hornets, I found it funny that West, Chandler, Belinelli, Landry, Jack, Bayless, Pondexter all went further in the playoffs than Paul did last year after Paul abandoned his team to go to a contender. 

For all the slack Rondo gets, Paul actually left his team and got his coach fired.  Somehow he is still an NBA darling while Rondo who is completely loyal and is constantly raved about by the only coach who ever coached him is a pain.

  It's all perception. I've read dozens of posts claiming that CP3 instantly makes whatever team he's on an instant contender even though he's been in the league for 8 years and hasn't really ever been on a team that was a threat to win the title.

Apparently you can build around Chris Paul.  You can build around Blake Griffin.  But, if you put BOTH of them on one of the deepest teams in the league they exit in the first round. 

You can't build around Rondo though.