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Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2013, 02:51:25 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

My man...

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

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Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2013, 02:54:46 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2013, 02:59:17 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA


Not the case last year. If you went under a screen against Rondo or gave him way too much room, he pulled it up and hit the shot.

He had the 4th highest percentage in the NBA from 16-23 feet.
I like Marcus Smart

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2013, 03:01:16 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2013, 03:03:34 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

TP to Timbo for the stats and some reality. Who cares if Chris Paul once made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs? He is an excellent point guard, obviously, but using his playoff success is a horrible argument to prove that. Other than his rookie year, Rondo has never not made it to at least the 2nd round (yes dbl negative). I get that he's had a lot of help, but CP3 hasn't been on awful teams, he just can't turn it on like Rondo can in the playoffs.

Why other gms aren't clamoring for him is unimaginable to me...again, thanks for the vid - a couple of those passes out to Ray for three were ridiculous.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2013, 03:12:09 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.
rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2013, 03:12:12 PM »

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Chris Paul is better.
Derrick Rose is better.

If you think that, why even comment on the video?  I swear people argue just to hear the sound of their own voice.

I'm commenting to bring perspective and to spark dialogue.  Not trying to hear the sound of my voice.

I like Rondo's game a lot but when the OP said that he was the best PG in the league...well...that's simply not an accurate statement.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2013, 03:13:36 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.
rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract

TP for you my friend

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2013, 03:18:56 PM »

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Paul is an elite defender. Probably second only to Rondo, when Rondo wants to play defense.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2013, 03:20:42 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

TP to Timbo for the stats and some reality. Who cares if Chris Paul once made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs? He is an excellent point guard, obviously, but using his playoff success is a horrible argument to prove that. Other than his rookie year, Rondo has never not made it to at least the 2nd round (yes dbl negative). I get that he's had a lot of help, but CP3 hasn't been on awful teams, he just can't turn it on like Rondo can in the playoffs.

Why other gms aren't clamoring for him is unimaginable to me...again, thanks for the vid - a couple of those passes out to Ray for three were ridiculous.

I talked about his playoffs to say with the amount of talent Paul had, Rondo never had to carry a team like that
Its hilarious that many just lookover that he had 3 HALL OF FAMERS he played with, 4 if you count Shaq
And the year Rondo won a title, he was the 4th option, and was benched a number of times during the 2008 NBA Finals

The stats of Chris Paul's teammates means nothing without Paul being the main reason they have those scoring stats
Who on that 08 Hornets team besides David West can score more than 10 points a game without a point guard giving them easy looks?..... I didn't find anyone either

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2013, 03:21:04 PM »

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Chris Paul is better.
Derrick Rose is better.

If you think that, why even comment on the video?  I swear people argue just to hear the sound of their own voice.

I'm commenting to bring perspective and to spark dialogue.  Not trying to hear the sound of my voice.

I like Rondo's game a lot but when the OP said that he was the best PG in the league...well...that's simply not an accurate statement.
Uhm, do you know what a "PG" or a "Point Guard" is? Since your response above doesn't seem coincide with the true definition of a "PG" in the game of basketball, please define what you think a "point guard" is.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2013, 03:23:32 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games. No way Mike Miller scores 23 points with all those three pointers he made in the 2012 NBA Finals game 5, just because he was a "lone contributor"

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

You can say the same thing about Rondo's effect on the team. How many points is he accounted for, the guy averages 11 assists per game. Rebounds like a maniac, and has a 50% fg.

The only knock on Rondo that I can see and has a good argument is his free throw percentage, other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with his game.

This all just goes back to CP3 being more media savvy / More Likeable by the media than Rondo.

They arguably produce the same numbers, and are accounted for a lot of the teams offensive numbers.

So why can't Rondo be in the same conversation as the best PG in the league?

Plus Rondo has 2 things that CP3 doesnt, Rebounding and Defense.
rondo has 3 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense and a reasonable contract
rondo has 4 things that chris paul doesn't
rebounding, defense,a reasonable contract AND a championship ring

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2013, 03:24:44 PM »

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Rondo is not the best pg in the league, sorry to burst your bubble. Tony parker gets the award, for now anyways

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2013, 03:28:47 PM »

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Chris Paul is the best point guard. This is commonplace
Paul took a team with just Tyson Chandler (non scoring big) to the 2nd round of the playoffs, within a game of getting to the Western Conference Finals. Him in clutch mode is scary

That was in 07-08
He had a young Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson.

Thats the only year he made it past the 1st round in a Hornets Jersey.
Every playoff appearance was a 1st round exit.

That year.

West avg 20 ppg and 9 rebounds
Peja avg 16
Chandler avg 11 ppg and 8 rebounds

Bonzi, Mo Pete and Bobby Jackson avg 8 points each off the bench.

So don't say that he carried that team. He had good production from the guys.

Obviously you're not playing 2 on 5. Its a team sport
You're not taking into account the amount of points of scored from Chris Paul (points scored of assisted). Face value stats won't explain that

So many times when Paul was on the bench, the offense looked inept. Kinda like when Lebron and Wade go on the bench in the Heat games

Whenever a team can make you somewhat a non factor just by sagging off of you (Rondo), then you can't be looked as the best point guard in the NBA

TP to Timbo for the stats and some reality. Who cares if Chris Paul once made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs? He is an excellent point guard, obviously, but using his playoff success is a horrible argument to prove that. Other than his rookie year, Rondo has never not made it to at least the 2nd round (yes dbl negative). I get that he's had a lot of help, but CP3 hasn't been on awful teams, he just can't turn it on like Rondo can in the playoffs.

Why other gms aren't clamoring for him is unimaginable to me...again, thanks for the vid - a couple of those passes out to Ray for three were ridiculous.

I talked about his playoffs to say with the amount of talent Paul had, Rondo never had to carry a team like that
Its hilarious that many just lookover that he had 3 HALL OF FAMERS he played with, 4 if you count Shaq
And the year Rondo won a title, he was the 4th option, and was benched a number of times during the 2008 NBA Finals

The stats of Chris Paul's teammates means nothing without Paul being the main reason they have those scoring stats
Who on that 08 Hornets team besides David West can score more than 10 points a game without a point guard giving them easy looks?..... I didn't find anyone either

Things you didn't take in to consideration, those Hall of Famers Rondo played with, were old, and way past their primes, all of them were injury prone with the exemption of Paul.

It wasn't like he was playing with a 2003-2004 Kevin Garnett or a 2000-2003 Shaq or a 27 year old Paul Pierce.

They needed Rondo as much as Rondo needed them.
Rondo gave them easy looks.
And that's what being a point guard is all about.

I think the conversation of best PG in the league right now should only include, Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, and maybe Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook.

Re: Tribute to the best pointguard in the league: Rajon Rondo
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2013, 03:31:31 PM »

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To me, he is absolutely in the conversation of best pg in the league. My problem with him is the lack of consistent effort, how in the big games he can produce triple doubles but then look average in other games.

If he can bring consistent effort to lead this team I see him averaging 18/11/7 and 2 steals, which would probably be enough to make him the best pg in the league.

Other point guards might have better average production but the ceiling for Rondo's production is the best passer, rebounder, and turnover forcer at his position. I'm hoping that with the team now being on his shoulders he can consistently give us elite effort and agressiveness and take his place as a top 10 player in the league.
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