Who is today's KG and Ray Allen that we trade for?

[gpap]

Here are some possibilities:

Kevin Love -Doubt he stays with Minny beyond 2015
Marc Gasol - Ditto with Memphis
Lamarcus Aldridge - Ditto with Portland

Carmelo Anthony - Interesting point by the OP. At first though you would think, NO WAY. Either New York or Los Angeles. BUT, what if next summer the Celts offered the Knicks a package revolving around Jeff Green?

Would New York say no? Wouldn't Melo like to play with Rondo?

Paul George - I know his contract is up in a couple years. If Indy doesn't improve this year, does George want out?

John Wall - Possibly, the Wizards and Wall have a falling out if Washington doesn't improve and Wall wants more money. Obviously, this would likely require a Rondo trade.

Kevin Durant - Doubt he goes anywhere, but I have a feeling that Danny would do anything to land Durant, whether trade or free agency (2016.) After all, if he had a choice between Oden/Durant, Ainge was going to select Durant back in 2007, if I am not mistaken.

Al Horford - Big fan of Horford's game. I believe he becomes a free agent in 2016. If Atlanta fails to improve the next couple years, does Horford become expendable.

Joakim Noah - Ditto with Chicago. If the Bulls don't improve the next couple years, does Chicago give up on Noah and find a new 1-2 to match with Rose?

Another angle on the Thunder is If the Westbrook/Durant combo isn't winning them 'chips - do they trade one of them?

Would you trade Rondo for Westbrook?

Noah might be the second best defensive big man behind KG.  He would be an interesting piece to add.

Noah
Oly
Green
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Westbrook

Yes I would.  To be honest with you, I am surprised this trade hasn't happened yet.
It makes too much sense for both teams. OKC gets a guy that can compliment Durant better and the Celts get a guy that can take over the offense, post KG/Pierce.

[erisred]

Not sure your going to find another KG this time. Hard to find that kind of player, anyway, and gettable even harder!

Durant and James are the only true 'franchise' players right now and neither are going to be coming to Boston, sorry.

Love, Aldridge, Gasol, Noah, and Harden are a step back... maybe Ray Allen level. Two of them, plus Rondo, plus several really good role players might be all we could get, might also be enough.

[gpap]

if we could somehow get durant then wow. But, i would probably say Melo is close to a maybe, but i see him choosing LA over us anyday of the week, and even before that im sure he loves NewYork.

I dont think K.Love wins us a chip.

I say, Our draft picks going around this time can win us a chip, faster then going the KG Ray route, unless we can trade for KD.

What if you were to pair for the 2014-15 season K Love with Horford or K Love and S Curry  with Rondo?

K.Love, Curry, and rondo is a great core, but I dont think I want to put 3 max deals on those 3 players.

Problem there is Rondo and Curry play the same position.

[No Nickname]

I posted a similar thread a few weeks ago that got very little attention, but I am just as curious.

The big difference though with all of the suggestions here is that KG and Ray Allen were 30 and 31 years old respectively when they were traded to the Celtics.  They were both on the downside of their careers (albeit still performing at a high level).  Garnett had been on seven All NBA teams (1st, 2nd, or 3rd team) before he was traded to the Celts. 

All of the examples in this thread deal with guys in their early-to-mid 20s.  The oldest example is Carmello who just turned 29.  He's the best example of a KG-type player, someone who is a multiple-All Star who hasn't achieved great success yet.  Kevin Love and Kevin Durant are only 24. 

Looking at all of the most-recent All NBA teams, guys are either too young (Durant or Blake Griffin or Russell Westbrook) or too old (Kobe/Duncan) to fit the KG/Ray Allen model.  Or they're "untradeable" like LeBron or Durant or Chris Paul, now that he's happy with the Clips again.

Dwyane Wade is the only one in the same age-range (he's 31) that KG/Ray Allen were.  Or Tony Parker (31).  Dirk is too old.  Paul George is too young.  Amar'e might fit, but he's been injured too often and isn't the player Garnett was. 

There really isn't a player out there that's 30-ish, that is coming off their 7th straight All-NBA team, disgruntled with their current team or not.

It was just a confluence of events that led to KG being 1) Available, 2) Healthy, 3) Just slightly on the back end of his career, and 4) One of the Top-10 players in the league.

Carmello really is the best example of that right now, with him only being a year or so younger than KG was when he got traded.  Maybe in a few years as guys get older we'll see another example that fits better.  Dwight Howard, if he rebounds into form, will be 31 when his Houston deal ends in 4 years.

I do think that Ainge has more assets now than he did when he got KG.  So our "next KG" may actually be younger than 30/31 if we go this route.  We might actually be able to get a 27-year-old disgruntled player in the next few years.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

The OP poses a great question, and this is something I began to address when the KG/Pierce trade was still in the rumor stage. I said it then and I'll say it again: as I look across the NBA landscape, I see no players outside of LeBron and maybe Durant who fit the mold of KG and Ray—not only highly talented (Hall of Fame level), but willing to sacrifice their individual game for the sake of the team, willing to blend well with other big stars for the sake of titles.

Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeMarcus Cousins, Steph Curry, Paul George, Marc Gasol—all very good players, but I don't see any of them being the heart and soul of a title-winning team a lá KG or Pierce. Don't get me wrong; I'd love to have any of them on the Celtics, but I don't think any of them is a "final piece of the puzzle" type of player. And the chances, I think, of landing LeBron or Durant are, respectively, none and nearly none. So I think we have to hope that next year's draft brings us that player, and/or that one of our current guys (Sully, Olynyk, Green) turns into that type of player.

Another thing to consider: KG and Ray joined Pierce, and the only current Boston player who even begins to approach the level of Pierce is Rondo, but will he still be here a season or two from now? And if so, is he good enough to be a Pierce- or even Ray-level player?

[No Nickname]

The OP poses a great question, and this is something I began to address when the KG/Pierce trade was still in the rumor stage. I said it then and I'll say it again: as I look across the NBA landscape, I see no players outside of LeBron and maybe Durant who fit the mold of KG and Ray—not only highly talented (Hall of Fame level), but willing to sacrifice their individual game for the sake of the team, willing to blend well with other big stars for the sake of titles.

Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, DeMarcus Cousins, Steph Curry, Paul George, Marc Gasol—all very good players, but I don't see any of them being the heart and soul of a title-winning team a lá KG or Pierce. Don't get me wrong; I'd love to have any of them on the Celtics, but I don't think any of them is a "final piece of the puzzle" type of player. And the chances, I think, of landing LeBron or Durant are, respectively, none and nearly none. So I think we have to hope that next year's draft brings us that player, and/or that one of our current guys (Sully, Olynyk, Green) turns into that type of player.

Another thing to consider: KG and Ray joined Pierce, and the only current Boston player who even begins to approach the level of Pierce is Rondo, but will he still be here a season or two from now? And if so, is he good enough to be a Pierce- or even Ray-level player?

My thoughts exactly.

[connor]

Westbrook- I think it's possible he could eventually be traded if they don't win soon. People always talk about his shooting vs Durant, Westbrook would bring in a ton of assets and open KD up to try and totally dominate. We'd have to give up Rondo and use the rest of our assets to build around Westbrook as our centerpiece.

Love- Wants out of Minnesota, people keep saying he will probably end up in LA, but I think if we have the base of a contending team put together he would seriously consider becoming the next KG type leader for Boston (not saying he as good a leader as KG, but that would be the role he would be filling).

Aldridge- rumor is he wants out of Portland, which is a team that is young and up and coming. They could end up with talent like Lillard and Batum and be flush with assets and space.

Horford- Always more of a PF than a C, forced to play C on a team that never really went anywhere. Now without Josh Smith or Howard I could see Horford wanting out soon if the Hawks don't do something soon.

Gasol- Marc not Pau. I think there is a small possibility the Grizz blow it up if they struggle, Z-Bo's contract might be tough to move and they'd certainly get a boatload for Gasol, might be a better return for a team looking to rebuild. Probably a pipe dream.

Sanders- I have no idea where the Bucks are going, but I don't like it. Thought they were trying to bottom out, but then they pick up Mayo and make an offer on Teague. I think  they're heading towards no-man's land and Sanders might bolt. the problem with him is that he could get max money, but hasn't shown he is worth it yet.

Cousins- Celtics have been always rumored to be interested, without Evans I think SAC's new owners are ready to bet on Cousins for now, but if he keeps being a problem he could be a steal in a trade at the deadline.

Varejao- If Bynum works out Varejao is a great chip to fill out the roster, but I don't think they're going to bet on Bynum's knees. Anderson has injury concerns of his own.

Gordon- Long rumored to be on the block, max salary and injury concerns being the main reason, I'm interested to see how their rotation works out with Evans, Rivers and Holiday. If it isn't working Gordon is the odd man out.

Asik/Lin- I don't like either for the Celtics (Asik maybe as a complementary piece), but depending on how things work out in Houston they could come cheap if you take them as a pair and can send back assets and expirings.


If we could get any of the big men without having to give up Rondo and Green I think we are back to competing.

[boscel33]

I think it depends on the direction Danny is willing to take.  He could go after young developmental players and have Stevens develop them (which is the way I think he goes) or he could go after vets and make another 3-4 year run at it.

[TeamGreen.dm]

I really doubt Warriors and Curry will part ways. But what if through a trade because of the exception we got from the Nets deal, we could land either Barnes/Harrison possibly along with Bogut but more realistically Lee. Wouldn't that leave us more options in FA as well.
Rondo
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Barnes or Thompson
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Bogut

[lightspeed5]

Westbrook- I think it's possible he could eventually be traded if they don't win soon. People always talk about his shooting vs Durant, Westbrook would bring in a ton of assets and open KD up to try and totally dominate. We'd have to give up Rondo and use the rest of our assets to build around Westbrook as our centerpiece.

Love- Wants out of Minnesota, people keep saying he will probably end up in LA, but I think if we have the base of a contending team put together he would seriously consider becoming the next KG type leader for Boston (not saying he as good a leader as KG, but that would be the role he would be filling).

Aldridge- rumor is he wants out of Portland, which is a team that is young and up and coming. They could end up with talent like Lillard and Batum and be flush with assets and space.

Horford- Always more of a PF than a C, forced to play C on a team that never really went anywhere. Now without Josh Smith or Howard I could see Horford wanting out soon if the Hawks don't do something soon.

Gasol- Marc not Pau. I think there is a small possibility the Grizz blow it up if they struggle, Z-Bo's contract might be tough to move and they'd certainly get a boatload for Gasol, might be a better return for a team looking to rebuild. Probably a pipe dream.

Sanders- I have no idea where the Bucks are going, but I don't like it. Thought they were trying to bottom out, but then they pick up Mayo and make an offer on Teague. I think  they're heading towards no-man's land and Sanders might bolt. the problem with him is that he could get max money, but hasn't shown he is worth it yet.

Cousins- Celtics have been always rumored to be interested, without Evans I think SAC's new owners are ready to bet on Cousins for now, but if he keeps being a problem he could be a steal in a trade at the deadline.

Varejao- If Bynum works out Varejao is a great chip to fill out the roster, but I don't think they're going to bet on Bynum's knees. Anderson has injury concerns of his own.

Gordon- Long rumored to be on the block, max salary and injury concerns being the main reason, I'm interested to see how their rotation works out with Evans, Rivers and Holiday. If it isn't working Gordon is the odd man out.

Asik/Lin- I don't like either for the Celtics (Asik maybe as a complementary piece), but depending on how things work out in Houston they could come cheap if you take them as a pair and can send back assets and expirings.


If we could get any of the big men without having to give up Rondo and Green I think we are back to competing.

westbrook and durant are the best 1-2 punch in the NBA, hands down. you obviously dont watch them play.

[scaryjerry]

Hopefully not Carmelo.  Not a fan.  Love or Cousins sound good.

Look I don't like carmelo either but to go on to say cousins is hypocritical...I'd prefer carmelo any day of the week and he and lamarcus Aldridge would be nice with rondo.

[Q_FBE]

I would like to add a couple of names from Sacremento:

Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. If they can't play for the Seattle Sonics, why not consider them for Boston in a year or two?

Really, the NG Celtics are most likely to come from the draft.

Just to lighten the mood a little: Nate Robinson and Glen Davis. Who can ever forget those two in Game 4 of the 2010 finals?

[connor]

Westbrook- I think it's possible he could eventually be traded if they don't win soon. People always talk about his shooting vs Durant, Westbrook would bring in a ton of assets and open KD up to try and totally dominate. We'd have to give up Rondo and use the rest of our assets to build around Westbrook as our centerpiece.

Love- Wants out of Minnesota, people keep saying he will probably end up in LA, but I think if we have the base of a contending team put together he would seriously consider becoming the next KG type leader for Boston (not saying he as good a leader as KG, but that would be the role he would be filling).

Aldridge- rumor is he wants out of Portland, which is a team that is young and up and coming. They could end up with talent like Lillard and Batum and be flush with assets and space.

Horford- Always more of a PF than a C, forced to play C on a team that never really went anywhere. Now without Josh Smith or Howard I could see Horford wanting out soon if the Hawks don't do something soon.

Gasol- Marc not Pau. I think there is a small possibility the Grizz blow it up if they struggle, Z-Bo's contract might be tough to move and they'd certainly get a boatload for Gasol, might be a better return for a team looking to rebuild. Probably a pipe dream.

Sanders- I have no idea where the Bucks are going, but I don't like it. Thought they were trying to bottom out, but then they pick up Mayo and make an offer on Teague. I think  they're heading towards no-man's land and Sanders might bolt. the problem with him is that he could get max money, but hasn't shown he is worth it yet.

Cousins- Celtics have been always rumored to be interested, without Evans I think SAC's new owners are ready to bet on Cousins for now, but if he keeps being a problem he could be a steal in a trade at the deadline.

Varejao- If Bynum works out Varejao is a great chip to fill out the roster, but I don't think they're going to bet on Bynum's knees. Anderson has injury concerns of his own.

Gordon- Long rumored to be on the block, max salary and injury concerns being the main reason, I'm interested to see how their rotation works out with Evans, Rivers and Holiday. If it isn't working Gordon is the odd man out.

Asik/Lin- I don't like either for the Celtics (Asik maybe as a complementary piece), but depending on how things work out in Houston they could come cheap if you take them as a pair and can send back assets and expirings.


If we could get any of the big men without having to give up Rondo and Green I think we are back to competing.

westbrook and durant are the best 1-2 punch in the NBA, hands down. you obviously dont watch them play.

I never said they weren't a good combo and I actually watch the Thunder all the time.

I'm just commenting on the fact that a lot of people have questioned a Durant/Westbrook duo as a long term solution for the Thunder. Anytime they lose the first thing people look at is the number of shots Russell put up compared to KD. They're both number one scoring options for an NBA contender, but they happen to be on the same team and, unfortunately for Westbrook, Durant just happens to be arguably the best scorer in the entire league right now and is ridiculously efficient.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that at some point they look at other possible combinations for Durant. They could get a king's ransom for Westbrook and pair Durant with more of a facilitator. Rondo would be an obvious choice plus the Celtics have assets they could add to sweeten the pot.

I'm not saying it's likely, but I definitely think it's a possibility.

[PhoSita]

People are really underselling the careers KG and Ray had before they came here if they think guys like LaMarcus Aldridge, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon, or even Kevin Love measure up.


To be on that level we need to be talking about sure-fire Hall of Famers on the tail end of their prime.  Guys who are perennial All-Stars.  Guys who have been the best player on good teams.  At least one guy who has been a legitimate MVP candidate for multiple years and even perhaps won an MVP.

In other words, the guys we would need to be talking about would have to skew more towards superstar than mere star.

[clover]

I posted a similar thread a few weeks ago that got very little attention, but I am just as curious.

The big difference though with all of the suggestions here is that KG and Ray Allen were 30 and 31 years old respectively when they were traded to the Celtics.  They were both on the downside of their careers (albeit still performing at a high level).  Garnett had been on seven All NBA teams (1st, 2nd, or 3rd team) before he was traded to the Celts. 

All of the examples in this thread deal with guys in their early-to-mid 20s.  The oldest example is Carmello who just turned 29.  He's the best example of a KG-type player, someone who is a multiple-All Star who hasn't achieved great success yet.  Kevin Love and Kevin Durant are only 24. 

Looking at all of the most-recent All NBA teams, guys are either too young (Durant or Blake Griffin or Russell Westbrook) or too old (Kobe/Duncan) to fit the KG/Ray Allen model.  Or they're "untradeable" like LeBron or Durant or Chris Paul, now that he's happy with the Clips again.

Dwyane Wade is the only one in the same age-range (he's 31) that KG/Ray Allen were.  Or Tony Parker (31).  Dirk is too old.  Paul George is too young.  Amar'e might fit, but he's been injured too often and isn't the player Garnett was. 

There really isn't a player out there that's 30-ish, that is coming off their 7th straight All-NBA team, disgruntled with their current team or not.

It was just a confluence of events that led to KG being 1) Available, 2) Healthy, 3) Just slightly on the back end of his career, and 4) One of the Top-10 players in the league.

Carmello really is the best example of that right now, with him only being a year or so younger than KG was when he got traded.  Maybe in a few years as guys get older we'll see another example that fits better.  Dwight Howard, if he rebounds into form, will be 31 when his Houston deal ends in 4 years.

I do think that Ainge has more assets now than he did when he got KG.  So our "next KG" may actually be younger than 30/31 if we go this route.  We might actually be able to get a 27-year-old disgruntled player in the next few years.

So the C's need their next stars to already be on the downside of their careers?