Pistons reportedly make offer for Rondo

[dreamgreen]

Celtics Trade:

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, Lee, 2nd round picks


Pistons Trade:


Monroe, Knight, Charlie V, Stuckey


Pistons are getting by far the best player in the deal, and the necessary missing piece to their roster in Rondo.

Their starting lineup of Rondo/Lee/Smith/Bass/Drummond with Wallace as a 6th man would be much more competitive than anything else they put together.

Celtics get Monroe, who they would have to get to agree to sign an extension before this trade were agreed to. Knight had a good year, but he's nowhere near Rondo's ability, and is more of a TBD prospect, IMO.

The key trade-off is the instant cap flexibility we would get from swapping Wallace/Bass/Lee contracts for Charlie V/Stuckey. Assuming we can get Monroe on a deal in the 10-13 mil per, we would then have an additional $17+ million coming off the books for 2013/14.

We would be able to stink it up for the year, hopefully net a top 3-5 pick, and then also be one of the prime players in 2013/14 free agency.

TP

Mowing my lawn today (takes way to long) I thought of this same trade, and I would do it for all the same reasons you said.

[relja]

How can people not get that Rajon is not some asset to throw around for picks and mediocre expiring contracts such as Charlie Villanueva?

C'mon people, he's better than that. Like it or not, he is our franchise player. As much as freakishly athletic young 7-footers don't grow on trees, superstar MVP-caliber franchise PGs grow even less.

I wouldn't trade him at any costs, not even for Josh, D-Rose or anyone else. The guy is something special and is arguably the best point guard on the planet. He, CP3 and D-Rose are the creme de la creme when it comes to point guards. Everyone is just a lower class, even Tony Parker. Rondo is the future and we should hold on to him for the sake of that same future.

[Mazingerz]

it sure would have been a ton of fun if Charlie V and KG were on the same team

 

[SHAQATTACK]

trading Rondo for a young center makes sense if the idea is to tank .   Killsctwo birds with one stone.

Drumond for Rondo would be a full blown rebuild ........but with  a new coach that has a six year contract......maybe this is what DA is up to.

it would be a very young team indeed......one that might be pretty good in threevyears

[gpap]

Celtics Trade:

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, Lee, 2nd round picks


Pistons Trade:


Monroe, Knight, Charlie V, Stuckey


Pistons are getting by far the best player in the deal, and the necessary missing piece to their roster in Rondo.

Their starting lineup of Rondo/Lee/Smith/Bass/Drummond with Wallace as a 6th man would be much more competitive than anything else they put together.

Celtics get Monroe, who they would have to get to agree to sign an extension before this trade were agreed to. Knight had a good year, but he's nowhere near Rondo's ability, and is more of a TBD prospect, IMO.

The key trade-off is the instant cap flexibility we would get from swapping Wallace/Bass/Lee contracts for Charlie V/Stuckey. Assuming we can get Monroe on a deal in the 10-13 mil per, we would then have an additional $17+ million coming off the books for 2013/14.

We would be able to stink it up for the year, hopefully net a top 3-5 pick, and then also be one of the prime players in 2013/14 free agency.

TP

Mowing my lawn today (takes way to long) I thought of this same trade, and I would do it for all the same reasons you said.

Glad I am not the only one who thinks of NBA trades when I am mowing my lawn (lol)

[greenhead85]

Rondo is more than just an All-Star PG. He is a difference maker in important games.

Not many can put up 44-8-10 and go the distance (53 minutes) vs the eventual World Champs in a conference final. He almost willed an upset in that series and very few players have that capability.

This.

But I'd take Drummond/Monroe, Stuckey and Singler for him if DA pulls the trigger for the trade.

[ssspence]

Absurd. Unless the offer includes Drummond or Monroe, there's nothing to talk about. But I'd add that if their offer does move up to include either, i'd expect a deal to get done swiftly.

I also think the Cs are listening if the Pistons would package up the expirings of CV and Stuckey for significant salary relief for Boston in addition to Knight.

I think Danny wants talent for Rondo, not salary relief.

Unless he's way more sold on Knight than anyone else I don't see how a package where he's the best asset works for the C's.

Sure. Who is giving it to him? Ainge will ask the opposing team to take Wallace's contract in any Rondo trade. Whether he insists upon it depends on what he's receiving back. But there's only about a half dozen trading partners that make sense out there, and in the instance of Detroit, I don't think its realistic to think they're going to surrender Monroe or Drummond for Rondo.

I believe strongly that Rondo will not be here by next summer. So Ainge may talk tough, but when push comes to shove and his trigger finger gets itchy, I suspect he's more willing to use Rondo as a 'chip' to address larger roster issues than others here. 

But as I mentioned, it would need to be significant. At least Wallace or Bass and Lee, if not a combo of the two.

[ssspence]

C'mon people, he's better than that. Like it or not, he is our franchise player. As much as freakishly athletic young 7-footers don't grow on trees, superstar MVP-caliber franchise PGs grow even less.

I wouldn't trade him at any costs, not even for Josh, D-Rose or anyone else. The guy is something special and is arguably the best point guard on the planet.

He's not MVP caliber, he's not  arguably the best point guard on the planet, and he's certainly not our franchise player.

That distinction belonged to KG, who was only traded last week. As for Rondo, franchise players don't live on the trading block.

[BballTim]

C'mon people, he's better than that. Like it or not, he is our franchise player. As much as freakishly athletic young 7-footers don't grow on trees, superstar MVP-caliber franchise PGs grow even less.

I wouldn't trade him at any costs, not even for Josh, D-Rose or anyone else. The guy is something special and is arguably the best point guard on the planet.

He's not MVP caliber, he's not  arguably the best point guard on the planet, and he's certainly not our franchise player.

That distinction belonged to KG, who was only traded last week. As for Rondo, franchise players don't live on the trading block.

  Rondo doesn't live on the trading block. And he's been as much our franchise player as KG for the last few years.

[Fafnir]

Absurd. Unless the offer includes Drummond or Monroe, there's nothing to talk about. But I'd add that if their offer does move up to include either, i'd expect a deal to get done swiftly.

I also think the Cs are listening if the Pistons would package up the expirings of CV and Stuckey for significant salary relief for Boston in addition to Knight.

I think Danny wants talent for Rondo, not salary relief.

Unless he's way more sold on Knight than anyone else I don't see how a package where he's the best asset works for the C's.

Sure. Who is giving it to him? Ainge will ask the opposing team to take Wallace's contract in any Rondo trade. Whether he insists upon it depends on what he's receiving back. But there's only about a half dozen trading partners that make sense out there, and in the instance of Detroit, I don't think its realistic to think they're going to surrender Monroe or Drummond for Rondo.

I believe strongly that Rondo will not be here by next summer. So Ainge may talk tough, but when push comes to shove and his trigger finger gets itchy, I suspect he's more willing to use Rondo as a 'chip' to address larger roster issues than others here. 

But as I mentioned, it would need to be significant. At least Wallace or Bass and Lee, if not a combo of the two.

We don't need salary relief if we're blowing it up, we need talent. The largest roster issue is talent, not salary structure.

If the half-a-dozen teams who would be interested in a 28 year old all-star point guard don't offer you talent or multiple good draft picks you hang up the phone.

If we're blowing it all up (trading Rondo) why they heck do we need cap space? I mean its nice to take other's garbage for first round picks, but we already have a ton of those. Unless they're going to be good draft picks that alone limits the appeal of even more mid to low picks.

Meanwhile FAs aren't coming to Boston in this scenario, nor do we want high priced veterans if we're trying to rebuild a young talent base.

If no one is offering any talent/good picks for Rondo, you just keep him or let him walk.

[BleedGreen1989]

Absurd. Unless the offer includes Drummond or Monroe, there's nothing to talk about. But I'd add that if their offer does move up to include either, i'd expect a deal to get done swiftly.

I also think the Cs are listening if the Pistons would package up the expirings of CV and Stuckey for significant salary relief for Boston in addition to Knight.

I think Danny wants talent for Rondo, not salary relief.

Unless he's way more sold on Knight than anyone else I don't see how a package where he's the best asset works for the C's.

Sure. Who is giving it to him? Ainge will ask the opposing team to take Wallace's contract in any Rondo trade. Whether he insists upon it depends on what he's receiving back. But there's only about a half dozen trading partners that make sense out there, and in the instance of Detroit, I don't think its realistic to think they're going to surrender Monroe or Drummond for Rondo.

I believe strongly that Rondo will not be here by next summer. So Ainge may talk tough, but when push comes to shove and his trigger finger gets itchy, I suspect he's more willing to use Rondo as a 'chip' to address larger roster issues than others here. 

But as I mentioned, it would need to be significant. At least Wallace or Bass and Lee, if not a combo of the two.

We don't need salary relief if we're blowing it up, we need talent. The largest roster issue is talent, not salary structure.

If the half-a-dozen teams who would be interested in a 28 year old all-star point guard don't offer you talent or multiple good draft picks you hang up the phone.

If we're blowing it all up (trading Rondo) why they heck do we need cap space? I mean its nice to take other's garbage for first round picks, but we already have a ton of those. Unless they're going to be good draft picks that alone limits the appeal of even more mid to low picks.

Meanwhile FAs aren't coming to Boston in this scenario, nor do we want high priced veterans if we're trying to rebuild a young talent base.

If no one is offering any talent/good picks for Rondo, you just keep him or let him walk.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Most logical post I've seen regarding a Rondo trade.

[jay]

Celtics Trade:

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, Lee, 2nd round picks


Pistons Trade:


Monroe, Knight, Charlie V, Stuckey

I think this is the most likely deal.  Ask for Drummond, but settle for Monroe/Knight.  Try to get salary cap relief by adding in Stuckey for Lee and/or Charlie V for Bass. 

Monroe, Sullinger, Green, Bradley, Knight, Olynyk is a pretty good group to start over with and hopefully build around a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft.   If a high priced free agent could be added a year from now, then even better. 

[kozlodoev]

Celtics Trade:

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, Lee, 2nd round picks


Pistons Trade:


Monroe, Knight, Charlie V, Stuckey

I think this is the most likely deal.  Ask for Drummond, but settle for Monroe/Knight.  Try to get salary cap relief by adding in Stuckey for Lee and/or Charlie V for Bass. 

Monroe, Sullinger, Green, Bradley, Knight, Olynyk is a pretty good group to start over with and hopefully build around a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft.   If a high priced free agent could be added a year from now, then even better.

There's no way the Pistons will yield Knight + a big and take on two bad contracts. If there's a deal, I don't see it being more than Rondo for Monroe, Knight, and Stuckey's deal.

[Fafnir]

If do trade Rondo just to shed bad contracts I'll be very angry.

Just a sign that ownership wants to lower payroll to the salary floor while rebuilding via a long process.

[ssspence]

Absurd. Unless the offer includes Drummond or Monroe, there's nothing to talk about. But I'd add that if their offer does move up to include either, i'd expect a deal to get done swiftly.

I also think the Cs are listening if the Pistons would package up the expirings of CV and Stuckey for significant salary relief for Boston in addition to Knight.

I think Danny wants talent for Rondo, not salary relief.

Unless he's way more sold on Knight than anyone else I don't see how a package where he's the best asset works for the C's.

Sure. Who is giving it to him? Ainge will ask the opposing team to take Wallace's contract in any Rondo trade. Whether he insists upon it depends on what he's receiving back. But there's only about a half dozen trading partners that make sense out there, and in the instance of Detroit, I don't think its realistic to think they're going to surrender Monroe or Drummond for Rondo.

I believe strongly that Rondo will not be here by next summer. So Ainge may talk tough, but when push comes to shove and his trigger finger gets itchy, I suspect he's more willing to use Rondo as a 'chip' to address larger roster issues than others here. 

But as I mentioned, it would need to be significant. At least Wallace or Bass and Lee, if not a combo of the two.

We don't need salary relief if we're blowing it up, we need talent. The largest roster issue is talent, not salary structure.

If the half-a-dozen teams who would be interested in a 28 year old all-star point guard don't offer you talent or multiple good draft picks you hang up the phone.

If we're blowing it all up (trading Rondo) why they heck do we need cap space? I mean its nice to take other's garbage for first round picks, but we already have a ton of those. Unless they're going to be good draft picks that alone limits the appeal of even more mid to low picks.

Meanwhile FAs aren't coming to Boston in this scenario, nor do we want high priced veterans if we're trying to rebuild a young talent base.

If no one is offering any talent/good picks for Rondo, you just keep him or let him walk.

I just don't agree it's this black and white. Cap space brings flexibility to add players and / or assets. So if Ainge can make up some of the value of a trade in relief from useless vets like Wallace or Lee that he can't achieve in young talent, I believe he'll strongly consider it.

I posed a scenario with Utah where the Cs trade Rondo for relief from all long term deals but Green. I think its far fetched, even if I think it's a good idea. But I believe the Cs are more like to concluded a mixed bag deal of interesting young player(s), decent pick(s), and salary relief for Rondo then they are to get a potential home run type talent for him (I.e. Drummond). Here's to hoping I'm proved incorrect on that.