The Klynyk: A new ceiling

[jayhovaone]

Anyone remember what Dirk looked like his first season?

Year    Team    G    GS    MPG    FG%    3P%    FT%    OFF    DEF    RPG    APG    SPG    BPG    TO    PF    PPG
98-99    DAL    47    24    20.4    0.405    0.206    0.773    0.9    2.6    3.4    1.0    0.6    0.6    1.55    2.23    8.2

Well it isn't going to let me put the stat line in there where it is easy to read.  Lets just say he averaged 8.2pts a game and shot 20% from three point land without many rebounds or assists.  Can Olynyk do that?  I believe so.

yeah but prior to his rookie season he decimated team USA and more specifically Charles Barkley in the 1996 Olympics.  So He already had Steam coming into the Nba.  Olynyk isgonna be a very good player I say career averages of 16pts and 7rebs if he starts if he comes off the bench 9 and 4.  But lets not get to happy with the summer league Andre Drummond just averaged 22 and 18 in this very summer league and Drummond is not gonna average that in the NBA and I really like Drummond.  So wh that said temper the expectations Because Olynyk is nowhere near the athlete Dirk was.  And Olynyk can't handle the Rock like Nowiztki did.  He could get better but in my opinion not as good as Dirk.  Sorry for being a kill Joy. 

[PhoSita]

Anyone remember what Dirk looked like his first season?

Year    Team    G    GS    MPG    FG%    3P%    FT%    OFF    DEF    RPG    APG    SPG    BPG    TO    PF    PPG
98-99    DAL    47    24    20.4    0.405    0.206    0.773    0.9    2.6    3.4    1.0    0.6    0.6    1.55    2.23    8.2

Well it isn't going to let me put the stat line in there where it is easy to read.  Lets just say he averaged 8.2pts a game and shot 20% from three point land without many rebounds or assists.  Can Olynyk do that?  I believe so.

yeah but prior to his rookie season he decimated team USA and more specifically Charles Barkley in the 1996 Olympics.  So He already had Steam coming into the Nba.  Olynyk isgonna be a very good player I say career averages of 16pts and 7rebs if he starts if he comes off the bench 9 and 4.  But lets not get to happy with the summer league Andre Drummond just averaged 22 and 18 in this very summer league and Drummond is not gonna average that in the NBA and I really like Drummond.  So wh that said temper the expectations Because Olynyk is nowhere near the athlete Dirk was.  And Olynyk can't handle the Rock like Nowiztki did.  He could get better but in my opinion not as good as Dirk.  Sorry for being a kill Joy.

Dirk is a top 20-25 all-time great, so if Olynyk has even half the career that Dirk has had, I will be really, really happy with that pick.

[Fred Roberts]

I'm thinking Andrea Bargnani 2.0 is the most accurate projection for Olynyk.

And what's so wrong with that?

Bargnani was similarly compared to a young Dirk, who could excel on offense off the dribble and w/ a sweet jumper but who was a liability on defense and not a terribly great rebounder. Bargnani was a #1 overall pick. He's an inch taller than Olynyk with a couple inches more wingspan.



Here's an excerpt from an early DraftExpress profile:
Bargnani is a prototypical player in terms of the physical attributes and raw skills that scouts salivate over in their search for the next young European (star?) big man.

First his physical attributes. He's tall (easily a 7 footer), and a very fluid athlete that runs the court very well, has a very nice first step and is a decent leaper. He'll never be a power player in the paint, but his frame suggests that his bulk will be adequate for the power forward position in the future.

Second are his skills. What distinguishes him from most American prospects his age is his complete outside game. He can handle the ball pretty well, and has a great stroke from anywhere on the court, complete with a quick and high release point. He can catch and shoot or put the ball on the floor to beat any big man off the dribble, going aggressively to the rim to finish, or stop and pull up for a sweet jump shot. What sets him apart from other 7 footers is his coordination and quickness to put the ball on the floor to drive to the basket.

He's going to be a match-up nightmare in his prime once he gets stronger, probably being the player most resembling a young Dirk Nowitzki that you've seen in a while.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YqKvWl9F
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Celtics18]

This is obviously just a hunch (and probably a whole lot of wishful thinking), but I suspect that what makes Kelly Olynyk's ceiling higher than Andrea Bargnani's is between the ears. 

[Tr1boy]

I'm thinking Andrea Bargnani 2.0 is the most accurate projection for Olynyk.

And what's so wrong with that?

Bargnani was similarly compared to a young Dirk, who could excel on offense off the dribble and w/ a sweet jumper but who was a liability on defense and not a terribly great rebounder. Bargnani was a #1 overall pick. He's an inch taller than Olynyk with a couple inches more wingspan.



Here's an excerpt from an early DraftExpress profile:
Bargnani is a prototypical player in terms of the physical attributes and raw skills that scouts salivate over in their search for the next young European (star?) big man.

First his physical attributes. He's tall (easily a 7 footer), and a very fluid athlete that runs the court very well, has a very nice first step and is a decent leaper. He'll never be a power player in the paint, but his frame suggests that his bulk will be adequate for the power forward position in the future.

Second are his skills. What distinguishes him from most American prospects his age is his complete outside game. He can handle the ball pretty well, and has a great stroke from anywhere on the court, complete with a quick and high release point. He can catch and shoot or put the ball on the floor to beat any big man off the dribble, going aggressively to the rim to finish, or stop and pull up for a sweet jump shot. What sets him apart from other 7 footers is his coordination and quickness to put the ball on the floor to drive to the basket.

He's going to be a match-up nightmare in his prime once he gets stronger, probably being the player most resembling a young Dirk Nowitzki that you've seen in a while.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YqKvWl9F
http://www.draftexpress.com

No. Bargnani is a stiff. His mobility and agility is mere avg, he cant drive in for a layup, no up and unders, spins, passing game is nothing special and gets torched on defense. His lack of good mobility/agility has limited him to gaurd centers in the nba. And he has got killed bc he also doesnt have good strength.

The only exceptional thing he can do is shoot the ball. But if on the floor too long will be a liability

[Fred Roberts]

I think he does have more upside than Bargnani, but I'm trying to be realistic with the expectations. Certainly, I hope he's the second coming of Dirk but let's see what happens.

If you're telling me he'll definitely be superior to Bargnani then that's great!

[Celtics18]

I'm thinking Andrea Bargnani 2.0 is the most accurate projection for Olynyk.

And what's so wrong with that?

Bargnani was similarly compared to a young Dirk, who could excel on offense off the dribble and w/ a sweet jumper but who was a liability on defense and not a terribly great rebounder. Bargnani was a #1 overall pick. He's an inch taller than Olynyk with a couple inches more wingspan.



Here's an excerpt from an early DraftExpress profile:
Bargnani is a prototypical player in terms of the physical attributes and raw skills that scouts salivate over in their search for the next young European (star?) big man.

First his physical attributes. He's tall (easily a 7 footer), and a very fluid athlete that runs the court very well, has a very nice first step and is a decent leaper. He'll never be a power player in the paint, but his frame suggests that his bulk will be adequate for the power forward position in the future.

Second are his skills. What distinguishes him from most American prospects his age is his complete outside game. He can handle the ball pretty well, and has a great stroke from anywhere on the court, complete with a quick and high release point. He can catch and shoot or put the ball on the floor to beat any big man off the dribble, going aggressively to the rim to finish, or stop and pull up for a sweet jump shot. What sets him apart from other 7 footers is his coordination and quickness to put the ball on the floor to drive to the basket.

He's going to be a match-up nightmare in his prime once he gets stronger, probably being the player most resembling a young Dirk Nowitzki that you've seen in a while.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YqKvWl9F
http://www.draftexpress.com

No. Bargnani is a stiff. His mobility and agility is mere avg, he cant drive in for a layup, no up and unders, spins, passing game is nothing special and gets torched on defense. His lack of good mobility/agility has limited him to gaurd centers in the nba. And he has got killed bc he also doesnt have good strength.

The only exceptional thing he can do is shoot the ball. But if on the floor too long will be a liability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzazsJESZa8

I beg to differ on Bargs.  I've always found it a bit of a head scratcher that he hasn't been able to make more out of his career considering his very impressive skills and physical talents.

[Tr1boy]

I think he does have more upside than Bargnani, but I'm trying to be realistic with the expectations. Certainly, I hope he's the second coming of Dirk but let's see what happens.

If you're telling me he'll definitely be superior to Bargnani then that's great!

Expectations are too low. U cant compare a fresh face that is wowing ppl so far with a guy that has basically failed to live expectations  in the nba.

Olynyk has some parts of nowitKi in him but cant shoot threes like him. On the other hand nowitzki doest have the passing , and polished post moves of olynyk.

When ppl say oly compares to bird i laugh also. But it could be maybe the best we can use for now. A poor mans larry bird. Oly is a pg at heart, that has a post game. He is creative and finds a way to score which is vintage bird. He passes well, anticipation, chess game, ball handling, teamwork, clutch baskets, motor equal bird quality.

Of course he cant shoot the three as good, not as intense, lacks the magic hencebthats why poor man version of bird. A taller version

[Fred Roberts]

he's averaged 15 & 5 for his career with decent % in only 30 MPG. over 36, it's more like 18 & 6. isn't that what people are projecting for Kelly?

he may be poised for a rebound year in NYC with a better team around him for a change. he's been withering in the NBA wasteland of Toronto.

[Celtics18]

I think he does have more upside than Bargnani, but I'm trying to be realistic with the expectations. Certainly, I hope he's the second coming of Dirk but let's see what happens.

If you're telling me he'll definitely be superior to Bargnani then that's great!

Expectations are too low. U cant compare a fresh face that is wowing ppl so far with a guy that has basically failed to live expectations  in the nba.

Olynyk has some parts of nowitKi in him but cant shoot threes like him. On the other hand nowitzki doest have the passing , and polished post moves of olynyk.

When ppl say oly compares to bird i laugh also. But it could be maybe the best we can use for now. A poor mans larry bird. Oly is a pg at heart, that has a post game. He is creative and finds a way to score which is vintage bird. He passes well, anticipation, chess game, ball handling, teamwork, clutch baskets, motor equal bird quality.

Of course he cant shoot the three as good, not as intense, lacks the magic hencebthats why poor man version of bird. A taller version

Where you laughing at yourself when you wrote that post?

[fmf2]

I like his game so far. Maybe he will never be a great defender, but his offensive skill set at 7'0 is rare, so I am optimistic.

Also intriguing is how his skill set may be able to complement Rondo's game.

IMO, the thorough nature of pre-draft analysis can be a double edged sword/information overload. Sometimes players' weaknesses are over emphasized, and the positives overlooked. Look at 2007, when everyone was down on Noah because he had a flawed offensive skill set. He went ninth and has been better than everyone before him except for Durant. Only time will tell.

I do wish he would cut his hair, though. My 8 year old son thought we drafted a girl.   

[Tr1boy]

he's averaged 15 & 5 for his career with decent % in only 30 MPG. over 36, it's more like 18 & 6. isn't that what people are projecting for Kelly?

he may be poised for a rebound year in NYC with a better team around him for a change. he's been withering in the NBA wasteland of Toronto.

Its beyond ind stats. When he was picked number 1 he was going to be the franchise player foe the raptors. So either he will put the team on his back and score like crazy or be a leader and play an all around game.

His team concept game is poor. He doesnt do the little things that oly has shown so far like set picks so that guys can receive passes. He just stands there waiting for a pass usually. Thats how he plays

[LooseCannon]

I think he does have more upside than Bargnani, but I'm trying to be realistic with the expectations. Certainly, I hope he's the second coming of Dirk but let's see what happens.

If you're telling me he'll definitely be superior to Bargnani then that's great!

I think he'll be superior to Bargnani on defense and rebounding.

[vinnie]

every time I read the names Kelly Olynyk and Larry Bird in the same post, I cringe. I just cringed again.

[PhoSita]

every time I read the names Kelly Olynyk and Larry Bird in the same post, I cringe. I just cringed again.

Is he white?

Is he 6'7'' or taller?

Can he shoot?

Does he put up good numbers despite lacking elite athleticism / quickness?


HE'S THE NEXT LARRY BIRD!