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Prediction: We contend next season...for worst record
« on: July 10, 2013, 10:43:51 PM »

Offline syfy9

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...........with the other bottom dwellers for the worst record in the league!


I say we have virtually little to no chance of making the playoffs, even with a healthy Rondo.


There are way too many upcoming teams looking to make a push in the playoffs.


The Hawks have Horford and Millsap; arguably around the same level last year. Last year they were a mid-playoff seed.

Toronto has Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, and a really good prospect in Valancuianas. They're not tanking and they have enough talent to go pretty far. People were already calling them dark horses to steal the 8th seed last season. They're one of the most athletic teams in the NBA, and they have the potential to be very good at defense. 

Detroit has far superior talent than we do. Josh Smith is quite underrated; either way, they have enough talent to get into the playoffs. Drummond has been looking good in the Summer League. Monroe is still pretty young. Then you have Brandon Knight, Caldwell-Pope, and Singler - how will Josh Smith fare with a team to call his very own?

Cleveland just signed Jack and Bynum and are looking to be one of the deeper teams in the NBA. So much young talent that could have breakout seasons. Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett. Topple that with Kyrie Irving. They are also motivated to play well; they don't want Uncle Drew leaving. Remember - Lebron James's Cavs had losing seasons his first few seasons with the franchise. This year, however, Kyrie's supporting cast is going to be utterly excellent and better than Lebron's ever was.

The Bobcats fixed their interior scoring problem. Al Jefferson is so, so, so much better than Byron Mullins. They also added Zeller. A Walker/MKG/Jefferson core is potent to do some real damage. They've made themselves the laughingstock of the league - you don't think that they've heard all this and are looking to prove everyone wrong? Kemba was a winner in college. MKG was a winner in college. I think this is the season the Bobcats turn it around.

The Wizards have John Wall, Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Nene, and Okafor in their starting line-up. That's a dangerous team influxed with veterans and talented, young players. Everyone is near complimentary to everyone else. Martell Webster, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Trevor Ariza, and Jesse Eisenburg's twin highlight their supporting cast. And that is a pretty good supporting cast. If John Wall has a break-out season, they make the playoffs without a doubt. Even if he doesn't, they'll still be pretty good.




Could we please tank? Pretty please? I don't think our team is capable of going head to head with some of these upcoming squads looking to make a name for themselves next season. They're done rebuilding - they want to push forward and gain some post-season minutes.

The only teams I see in the Eastern conference going the wrong direction (other than the Celtics) are the Bucks (who are still playoff-contending) and the 76ers. The Magic are pitiful already.


On another note, I think that it was a great idea that Danny traded Pierce and KG. Do you guys understand how devastating it would be to try to run it back, only to fall short of a playoff birth? Oh my goodness. Danny, thank you so much.
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 10:50:03 PM »

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Is there a specific name for overvaluing players on other teams while undervaluing young players on your own team?  Or do we just stick with ignorance?

Also you couldn't have posted this in
"We are going to suck for a long time" "Expectations for next year" or any one of the 100 other threads on this topic?
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 10:54:48 PM »

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According to my source inside the Celtics organziation: "We are not Tanking, come on, this is the Celtics!"

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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 10:59:52 PM »

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Is there a specific name for overvaluing players on other teams while undervaluing young players on your own team?  Or do we just stick with ignorance?

It's called perception.

Overvaluing your own unproven players on your own team, on the other hand, is called being a homer.


My basis is that those teams are going to theoretically do well - the free agent signings and potential breakout seasons are the major factors.

Free agents are established players - we know what we are going to get from Josh Smith, Jarrett Jack, Paul Millsap, and Al Jefferson. Then the break-out seasons, which are 99% going to occur (like they do every season).

All of these teams have been bottom dwellers that are looking to make a jump. Do you agree that all of the signing decisions those teams have made is directed to "winning now" mode?
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 11:00:54 PM »

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Here's my prediction- if we go into the season with the current roster this will be the worst defensive team in the Eastern conference.  We'll be giving up 100+ points nightly and will get smoked by any decent team that decides it feels like trying against us. 

The C's will be able to score ok, but won't be able to stop anyone.

Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 11:06:04 PM »

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According to my source inside the Celtics organziation: "We are not Tanking, come on, this is the Celtics!"

 ;D

I'm sure that even if we give it our all, we'll finish around the 10th-13th range.
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 11:07:04 PM »

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We still have Rondo, Sully, Green and AB.... and KO
i see us fighting for 8th and 9th seed at the playoffs
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 11:08:09 PM »

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rondo,green,bradley

^^ the reason we will not tank

Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2013, 11:15:17 PM »

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We still have Rondo, Sully, Green and AB.... and KO
i see us fighting for 8th and 9th seed at the playoffs

As Kuberski33 said earlier - where's the interior defense?

Also keep in mind that we won't have Rondo for a while either.

Look at the team with Rondo out. Stinky! Little to no offensive creators. I think that Rondo can make the most out of our current roster, though. We'll score well, but our defense is going to be sub-par in the interior. The new bigs in the Eastern Conference (along with Hibbert, Lebron, Lopez, and KG :'( :'() will tear us apart. I'm glad we have Colton Iverson, but if he's our best hope as defensive post stopper, then we are in for trouble. Have you seen the Celtics last season with KG out of the game? It's going to be a party down in the paint.

With Rondo, scoring won't be so bad. Our team is complimentary to him. But can you answer this question:


Who is going to score for us in crunch time?

If you ask this question next year, I would be ecstatic to say Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker.
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2013, 11:30:49 PM »

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Is there a specific name for overvaluing players on other teams while undervaluing young players on your own team?  Or do we just stick with ignorance?

It's called perception.

Overvaluing your own unproven players on your own team, on the other hand, is called being a homer.


My basis is that those teams are going to theoretically do well - the free agent signings and potential breakout seasons are the major factors.

Free agents are established players - we know what we are going to get from Josh Smith, Jarrett Jack, Paul Millsap, and Al Jefferson. Then the break-out seasons, which are 99% going to occur (like they do every season).

All of these teams have been bottom dwellers that are looking to make a jump. Do you agree that all of the signing decisions those teams have made is directed to "winning now" mode?

Off all the established players you listed Rondo is the best.  Jeff Green is one of the best second options in all of those teams as well.  Hard to come up with better young guys than 21 year old Jared Sullinger and 22 year old Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynyk.  None of those teams have young quality role players like Lee, Wallace, Bass and Randolph.  Then you have wild cards like 24 year old Marshon Brooks and Jordan Crawford who can have a "break out season."  But the grass is always greener on the other side. 
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2013, 11:54:05 PM »

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The interior defense is in NJ.  And even with KG it wasn't great last year.  But without him we have no rim protector.


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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2013, 12:03:02 AM »

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I agree. I think the teams that won 25-35 games last year all got better. How much each team improved remains to be seen.

We won 41 and got significantly worse. We will not make the playoffs.

I cannot see us finishing better than 10th in the East.
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...for worst record
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2013, 12:27:10 AM »

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Right now I see four distinctive tiers in the East, with each team in order:

- Playoff locks
Miami
New York
Indiana
Brooklyn
Chicago
Atlanta

- Playoff hopefuls
Washington
Cleveland
Detroit
Toronto

- Playoff longshots
Milwaukee
Boston

- Playoff dreamers
Orlando
Charlotte
Philadelphia

That puts us as a bottom 5 team in the East, and bottom 6 team in the league when you factor in Phoenix in the West. Among those six teams, I can very realistically see Boston finishing behind Milwaukee, which would make us a bottom 5 team in the league. Orlando and Charlotte also have enough young talent to potentially surprise everyone, but I won't put stock in that.

Re: Prediction: We contend next season...
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 12:31:13 AM »

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Is there a specific name for overvaluing players on other teams while undervaluing young players on your own team?  Or do we just stick with ignorance?

It's called perception.

Overvaluing your own unproven players on your own team, on the other hand, is called being a homer.


My basis is that those teams are going to theoretically do well - the free agent signings and potential breakout seasons are the major factors.

Free agents are established players - we know what we are going to get from Josh Smith, Jarrett Jack, Paul Millsap, and Al Jefferson. Then the break-out seasons, which are 99% going to occur (like they do every season).

All of these teams have been bottom dwellers that are looking to make a jump. Do you agree that all of the signing decisions those teams have made is directed to "winning now" mode?

Off all the established players you listed Rondo is the best.  Jeff Green is one of the best second options in all of those teams as well.  Hard to come up with better young guys than 21 year old Jared Sullinger and 22 year old Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynyk.  None of those teams have young quality role players like Lee, Wallace, Bass and Randolph.  Then you have wild cards like 24 year old Marshon Brooks and Jordan Crawford who can have a "break out season."  But the grass is always greener on the other side.

Their teams improve with each corresponding signing - their supporting cast is far better than Rondo's supporting cast.

You can do better than Sullinger, Bradley, and Olynyk. You can do much, much better, and if you don't think so, then you have green goggles on, my friend. Knight, Drummond, and Monroe? John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Otto Porter? Kemba Walker and MKG? Freaking Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters, and Anthony Bennett/Tristan Thompson?

We've only just started accumulating prospects (save for the Green trade). They've been doing it for years. Their prospects as a whole are better than our prospects.

In the playoffs, our only quality role player was Brandon Bass. I love Humphries' game though and Courtney Lee was being held back, plus Brooks has some potential. That being said - all of these other teams do have quality role players. You'd be ignorant to think that we are the only ones with young role players.
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Re: Prediction: We contend next season...for worst record
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2013, 12:33:23 AM »

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Right now I see four distinctive tiers in the East, with each team in order:

- Playoff locks
Miami
New York
Indiana
Brooklyn
Chicago
Atlanta

- Playoff hopefuls
Washington
Cleveland
Detroit
Toronto

- Playoff longshots
Milwaukee
Boston

- Playoff dreamers
Orlando
Charlotte
Philadelphia

That puts us as a bottom 5 team in the East, and bottom 6 team in the league when you factor in Phoenix in the West. Among those six teams, I can very realistically see Boston finishing behind Milwaukee, which would make us a bottom 5 team in the league. Orlando and Charlotte also have enough young talent to potentially surprise everyone, but I won't put stock in that.

TP. I love the list.

Only thing I have a problem with is Charlotte. They are looking pretty legit when it comes to playoff birthing. Al Jefferson will drastically improve them. I'd put them in playoff hopefuls, but wouldn't argue if someone put them under playoff longshots. But they are most certainly not playoff dreamers.

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