Kelly Olynyk = Jack Sikma

[TeamGreen.dm]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tfuour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

He said a poor, poor man's dirk. As in double poor, which is pretty poor but considering Dirk; still a good basketball player. Nobody here is saying he's as good or going to be as good. Just observing he has some of the same strengths and weaknessess, albeit in varying degrees.

TP. Btw, it was poor, poor, poor man's Dirk. 

 As much as i love the Dirk comparisons i see more of a Zydrunas Ilgauskas in his game. Definite range from 3, great on pick n roll and pick n pop situations. Not the greatest defender or rebounder but he fights for everything. What he lacks in pure athleticism he shows in effort and a true knowledge of the game

Yes my final comparison is KO=Big Z

[TripleOT]

Sikma was a big who was a lot more stiff and less mobile than what KO appears to be.  Sikma had a nice jumper and turnaround,a nd was a solid post player, but wasn't a fluid big.  KO seems fluid, can put the ball on the floor like a wing player, and isn't as physical as Sikma.   

[syfy9]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tfuour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

He said a poor, poor man's dirk. As in double poor, which is pretty poor but considering Dirk; still a good basketball player. Nobody here is saying he's as good or going to be as good. Just observing he has some of the same strengths and weaknessess, albeit in varying degrees.

TP. Btw, it was poor, poor, poor man's Dirk. 

 As much as i love the Dirk comparisons i see more of a Zydrunas Ilgauskas in his game. Definite range from 3, great on pick n roll and pick n pop situations. Not the greatest defender or rebounder but he fights for everything. What he lacks in pure athleticism he shows in effort and a true knowledge of the game

Yes my final comparison is KO=Big Z

I think down in the post, Kelly is far more smoother. He was smoother than Dirk when they were around the same age. Big Z is also taller and a far better defender but more stiff.

Also, I don't get the notion of Big Z being a good 3 point shooter. He wasn't a prolific at all, unlike Dirk. More of a mid-range game. He hit some open threes, but Marc Gasol did too. Nobody is comparing Olynyk to Gasol, though. Gasol is way too tough and Olynyk is leaning on the soft side (like Dirk).


At the end of the day, if you look at the 3 in mugshot format, the bald guy is the odd man out. 

[greg_kite]

I thought Sikma was a good shot blocker and rebounder, which KO doesn't seem to be.

KO reminds me a little of Brook Lopez.  A good scorer but bad rebounder.  Lopez is a better shot blocker where KO is a better shooter.

KO has some Rik Smits in him as well.

[greenhead85]

Sikma is a better rebounder and shot blocker. Saw most of his career in Bucks uniform. Could have watched him with DJ in Seattle if we only had tv coverage in the Philippines back in the 70s. Played so well at center but didn't had much against The Chief and McHale.
KO is quicker,skillful, better shooter but less athletic.

[crimson_stallion]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

You might want to check out this link here:
http://galleries.nba.com/gallery/summerleague-past-stars/slideshow/Kevin_Durant/08IL625aYg6Xm

I actually found this pretty interesting because some of these future stars didn't really dominate so much during summer league.  Some of the notes were as follows:

Lebron - 15.8 points, 7.3 rebounds, 4.3 assists.  Very nice stats but not uber-elite as you'd expect
Carmello - barely played and stats were not not even worthy of note
Dwight - struggled at points due to lack of strength (wow?!?!)
Chris Paul - struggled initially due to injured wrist
D Wade - Avceraged only 13.4 PPG
Deron Williams - Played well, but not exceptionally so
James Harden - Averaged 15 PPG and 3 RPG
Zach Randolf - Barely played, stats were not noteworthy

The reason the above interests me is that everybody here has been suggesting that unless a player absolutely dominates against summer league competition, it's unlikely he has NBA potential (let alone superstar potential).  I don't think this is accurate because if you look at the above examples, none of them (Statistically) really hint at what those guys would eventually become.

The best statistical line there is Lebron's, but that guy is putting up something like 27/7/7 consistently against NBA competition, so a summer league showing of 16/7/4 is hardly representative of how dominant he'd eventually be.  I would have expected something like 35/10/6 from a guy with his "GOAT" level of talent.

Wade averaged only 13 PPG - nothing spectacular at all and in no way a hint at what woudl become one of the greatest scorers in the NBA for years.  DItto HArden's 15 per game which seems pretty average against Summer League competition...considering he averaged 26 PPG last season.

So looking at a guy like Olynyk who is seriously dominating summer league so far (averaging something like 19/7/3) things are looking pretty good.  People bring up the strength issue but Dwight was listed as struggling due to lack of strength, and he's a walking tank these days. 

By no means an assurance that KO will dominate in the future league, but by no means a sign that he can't either.  I honestly don't see any real skill that Dirk has that KO doesn't. Good jumper? check.  Post scoring ability? Check.  Good hands? Check.  PAssing skills? Check.  High IQ? Check. Agile for a 7 footer? Check.  Average strength, defense and rebounding? Check.  He may never get there, but who knows?  If he can translate into even 70% of what Dirk was in his prime I'd be pretty content.  I see him being a 15 / 7 / 2 guy at the absolute minimum with high scoring efficiency to go with it. 

[TeamGreen.dm]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tfuour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

He said a poor, poor man's dirk. As in double poor, which is pretty poor but considering Dirk; still a good basketball player. Nobody here is saying he's as good or going to be as good. Just observing he has some of the same strengths and weaknessess, albeit in varying degrees.

TP. Btw, it was poor, poor, poor man's Dirk. 

 As much as i love the Dirk comparisons i see more of a Zydrunas Ilgauskas in his game. Definite range from 3, great on pick n roll and pick n pop situations. Not the greatest defender or rebounder but he fights for everything. What he lacks in pure athleticism he shows in effort and a true knowledge of the game

Yes my final comparison is KO=Big Z

I think down in the post, Kelly is far more smoother. He was smoother than Dirk when they were around the same age. Big Z is also taller and a far better defender but more stiff.

Also, I don't get the notion of Big Z being a good 3 point shooter. He wasn't a prolific at all, unlike Dirk. More of a mid-range game. He hit some open threes, but Marc Gasol did too. Nobody is comparing Olynyk to Gasol, though. Gasol is way too tough and Olynyk is leaning on the soft side (like Dirk).


At the end of the day, if you look at the 3 in mugshot format, the bald guy is the odd man out. 

I see where your coming from. Big Z got his 3s off later in his career once LBJ came to Cleveland, gave him open opps. But their mid range game seems pretty similar. I just don't see why were thinking KO is so great from 3, seems streaky. His post game and mid range are hus biggest strengths

[Pucaccia]

Josh Shelby = Tim Hardaway



Sorry, thought this was the Grizzlies board from two summers ago when Josh Shelby tore up the summer league.

Yeh, I'm surpised they haven't gotten KO's bust ready for Springfield yet, what is taking so long?!?!?

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[Birdman]

Kelly Olynyk=Brad Lohaus 

[coco]

I think KO is a better passer than Dirk ever was but is a weaker rebounder.  Better low post player than Dirk.  But Probably a worse defender than Dirk.

We'll see.  KO will need minutes to develop into a Dirk but he can get there....work ethic and good attitude is there.  So the ceiling is high.

[syfy9]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tfuour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

He said a poor, poor man's dirk. As in double poor, which is pretty poor but considering Dirk; still a good basketball player. Nobody here is saying he's as good or going to be as good. Just observing he has some of the same strengths and weaknessess, albeit in varying degrees.

TP. Btw, it was poor, poor, poor man's Dirk. 

 As much as i love the Dirk comparisons i see more of a Zydrunas Ilgauskas in his game. Definite range from 3, great on pick n roll and pick n pop situations. Not the greatest defender or rebounder but he fights for everything. What he lacks in pure athleticism he shows in effort and a true knowledge of the game

Yes my final comparison is KO=Big Z

I think down in the post, Kelly is far more smoother. He was smoother than Dirk when they were around the same age. Big Z is also taller and a far better defender but more stiff.

Also, I don't get the notion of Big Z being a good 3 point shooter. He wasn't a prolific at all, unlike Dirk. More of a mid-range game. He hit some open threes, but Marc Gasol did too. Nobody is comparing Olynyk to Gasol, though. Gasol is way too tough and Olynyk is leaning on the soft side (like Dirk).


At the end of the day, if you look at the 3 in mugshot format, the bald guy is the odd man out. 

I see where your coming from. Big Z got his 3s off later in his career once LBJ came to Cleveland, gave him open opps. But their mid range game seems pretty similar. I just don't see why were thinking KO is so great from 3, seems streaky. His post game and mid range are hus biggest strengths

The Utah Jazz do this 3 point drill in the workouts where you shoot 100 three pointers.

Olynyk shot 63/100, which is third most all-time against all other prospects that worked out for the Jazz for the history of their team.

Yeah. The kid can shoot. He has legit range.



www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01.html

In comparison, Big Z made 31/100 three pointers for his career. His last 2 relevant seasons he made 15/39 and 11/23. Hardly any. 0.0/0.2, if you are looking at per game.

[TeamGreen.dm]

Dirk came to prominence by destroying everyone in sight at the Nike Hoop Summit at 18yrs old...

Abroad, Nowitzki's progress was noticed. In 1996, FC Barcelona Bàsquet wanted to sign him, but Nowitzki refused to move before finishing his Abitur.[18] A year later, the teenager participated in the Nike "Hoop Heroes Tfuour," where he played against NBA stars like Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen. In a 30-minute show match, Nowitzki outplayed Barkley and even dunked on him, causing the latter to exclaim: "The boy is a genius. If he wants to enter the NBA, he can call me."[19] On March 29, 1998, Nowitzki was chosen to play in the Nike Hoop Summit, one of the premier talent watches in U.S. men's basketball. In a match between the U.S. talents and the international talents, Nowitzki scored 33 points on 6-of-12 shooting, 14 rebounds and 3 steals for the internationals[3] and outplayed future US NBA stars Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington. He impressed with a combination of quickness, ball handling, and shooting range, and from that moment a multitude of European and NBA clubs wanted to recruit him.[20]



You can NOT compare KO to a HOFer... this is completely ridiculous

He said a poor, poor man's dirk. As in double poor, which is pretty poor but considering Dirk; still a good basketball player. Nobody here is saying he's as good or going to be as good. Just observing he has some of the same strengths and weaknessess, albeit in varying degrees.

TP. Btw, it was poor, poor, poor man's Dirk. 

 As much as i love the Dirk comparisons i see more of a Zydrunas Ilgauskas in his game. Definite range from 3, great on pick n roll and pick n pop situations. Not the greatest defender or rebounder but he fights for everything. What he lacks in pure athleticism he shows in effort and a true knowledge of the game

Yes my final comparison is KO=Big Z

I think down in the post, Kelly is far more smoother. He was smoother than Dirk when they were around the same age. Big Z is also taller and a far better defender but more stiff.

Also, I don't get the notion of Big Z being a good 3 point shooter. He wasn't a prolific at all, unlike Dirk. More of a mid-range game. He hit some open threes, but Marc Gasol did too. Nobody is comparing Olynyk to Gasol, though. Gasol is way too tough and Olynyk is leaning on the soft side (like Dirk).


At the end of the day, if you look at the 3 in mugshot format, the bald guy is the odd man out. 

I see where your coming from. Big Z got his 3s off later in his career once LBJ came to Cleveland, gave him open opps. But their mid range game seems pretty similar. I just don't see why were thinking KO is so great from 3, seems streaky. His post game and mid range are hus biggest strengths

The Utah Jazz do this 3 point drill in the workouts where you shoot 100 three pointers.

Olynyk shot 63/100, which is third most all-time against all other prospects that worked out for the Jazz for the history of their team.

Yeah. The kid can shoot. He has legit range.



www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01.html

In comparison, Big Z made 31/100 three pointers for his career. His last 2 relevant seasons he made 15/39 and 11/23. Hardly any. 0.0/0.2, if you are looking at per game.

Well dang, i had no idea. That's truly eye opening for me, i was definitely aware of his shooting stroke but had idea it was that on point. Excites me even more now, his offensive game is extremely polished

[86MaxwellSmart]

Sure it's early....but I think K.O. looks way better than Sullinger did in last year's Summer League...way better.

[nickagneta]

I can't wait to see these threads revisited when Olynyk is averaging 4 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 0.7 BPG, 1.4 APG while shooting 44/32/80 and is fouling at a rate almost as high as his PPG rate.

Also, I watched a lot of Sikma. Sikma was a true center that could hit the 15-17 footer but who's game was more physical and located in the post. He was extremely strong and hard to move in the post and had excellent rebounding fundamentals. His handle was very good for that era but not like what some bigs have today.

I just don't see a lot of similarities in their game.

[Eja117]

I can't wait to see these threads revisited when Olynyk is averaging 4 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 0.7 BPG, 1.4 APG while shooting 44/32/80 and is fouling at a rate almost as high as his PPG rate.

Also, I watched a lot of Sikma. Sikma was a true center that could hit the 15-17 footer but who's game was more physical and located in the post. He was extremely strong and hard to move in the post and had excellent rebounding fundamentals. His handle was very good for that era but not like what some bigs have today.

I just don't see a lot of similarities in their game.

Didn't Montross average 10/7 his rookie year?  Meyers Leonard averaged 5.5/3.7 in 17.5 minutes per game last year. DMo averaged 5.7/2 in 12.2 mpg.   I think people are overrating him, but I think you might be underrating him