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I'm still wondering if Wallace, Humphries and Bogans are staying. Danny's got a few options:

1) Keeps them and lets them play. Probably off the bench behind Sully and Bass or Sully and Olnyk. Uses Wallace as Green's back up and Hump as Sully's back up.
Probably adds 7-10 wins to our season?

2)Keeps them but puts them on the end of the bench waiting for trade offers. This way his assets are not hurting the 2014 lottery chances and not risking injury for any possible trades. Might give them a few minutes garbage time/burn now and then.
Does anyone know if Ainge and Stevens are allowed to force them to sit because they wanna develop the newbies?

3)Moves them before season starts to ensure they aren't getting us extra scoring/production. Hump for Ben Gordon?

4) floats Rondo on trade market and moves one with them. Probably Wallace because hes a harder deal to move.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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I would try to get Wallace as healthy as possible before showcasing him (he should have the same goal himself). If he gets back to his old self, his value would be a lot higher.

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

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I think he should give Wallace a chance

This is a guy that had a 18/10 season average  4 years ago.
as a guy that has a 3 year contract in the nba, i think you kinda have to allow him to work through whatever funk he's been going through since then.

I *almost* want to keep Kris Humphries, because just last year he was 13/11. I don't like him in real life tho haha..but idk...he had to play behind Brook Lopez, then the injury...just wasn't a favorable year for him.

He has a better pulse about how GMs feel about these guys tho. Really depends.

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

Because he wins us games that we don't need to win. He takes us from a bottom feeder to a fringe playoff team.
The more he plays, the closer to mediocrity this team becomes. We go from stinking terrible to mediocre/bad and lose 5-6 draft spots because of this.
He's the difference between having a legit shot at Wiggins, Parker or Randle and a 10th or 11th pick in 2014.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

Because he wins us games that we don't need to win. He takes us from a bottom feeder to a fringe playoff team.
The more he plays, the closer to mediocrity this team becomes. We go from stinking terrible to mediocre/bad and lose 5-6 draft spots because of this.
He's the difference between having a legit shot at Wiggins, Parker or Randle and a 10th or 11th pick in 2014.

Are you sure about that? He'd be taking minutes away from Green. Wallace has been *bad. We don't have shooters and apparently he isn't one and has been bad because he's been cast in the role of a shooter.

Plus, say we can't simply not play Gerald Wallace for whatever reason...say we can't limit his minutes...for whatever reason...say him being on the roster is detrimental to the tanking agenda...it's a pretty bad reason to try and get rid of him. You'd need to throw in a first at least.

We'd be mortgaging our future...for...a slightly better chance at a 1st overall pick? Are people really banking on our ONE pick to churn out a 1st overall pick, not be a bust and save the franchise nowadays?

I think people are too caught up with the tank. Why would you mortgage your future for *getting rid* of this guy? For the possibility of getting marginally worse to get a slightly higher chance at a possibility of a franchise player? That sound right?

I don't like tanking but I don't hate it. There's more than one way to win it all. As someone pointed out, it was Wade who won it all before LeBron because of smart management decisions (message me for your TP, please!). Heck, Wade won it all 3 times. You don't have to bottom out completely.
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I think they'll both find minutes this year - how many is up for grabs, but with the lack of talent/experience at their respective positions, I think they play (plus I think Stevens will play 10-11 guys/game).

But I think they're gone as soon as they expire and/or can be moved.  I think there's almost no chance Humps get re-signed, and Wallace has 3 more years...they'll try to move him for any shorter term contract, however bad the player.

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

Because he wins us games that we don't need to win. He takes us from a bottom feeder to a fringe playoff team.
The more he plays, the closer to mediocrity this team becomes. We go from stinking terrible to mediocre/bad and lose 5-6 draft spots because of this.
He's the difference between having a legit shot at Wiggins, Parker or Randle and a 10th or 11th pick in 2014.

you cant put all your eggs into the "tanking" basket...danny should know that after 06-07 when we were left with Jeff Green instead of Durant

theres probably just as much value in showcasing these guys and then trading them for more assets....wallace is the one I more want to trade. that contract is horrendous. but if he has a good year, some team with a need for a starting SF will be stupid enough to trade for him

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

Because he wins us games that we don't need to win. He takes us from a bottom feeder to a fringe playoff team.
The more he plays, the closer to mediocrity this team becomes. We go from stinking terrible to mediocre/bad and lose 5-6 draft spots because of this.
He's the difference between having a legit shot at Wiggins, Parker or Randle and a 10th or 11th pick in 2014.

you cant put all your eggs into the "tanking" basket...danny should know that after 06-07 when we were left with Jeff Green instead of Durant

theres probably just as much value in showcasing these guys and then trading them for more assets....wallace is the one I more want to trade. that contract is horrendous. but if he has a good year, some team with a need for a starting SF will be stupid enough to trade for him

I don't know why you'd use that as an example when it was that tanking that enabled the C's to get Ray and KG.

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They're great as expirings in my opinion.

It's perfect.

Bogans and Humphries will be expirings next (?) year. We'd get more young assets for the rebuilding.

The rebuild will be until the end of Wallace's contract in 2017 (?). If not, we can still trade him a couple years early as salary filler (by then it'd be more like 2 years as opposed to 4 years of massive cap hold, making him more tradable).

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Unless a crazy situation pops up where someone happens to need Wallace's leadership and skillset to take it over the top and is willing to take the huge contract, I just don't see it.

Enlighten me, please.

Because he wins us games that we don't need to win. He takes us from a bottom feeder to a fringe playoff team.
The more he plays, the closer to mediocrity this team becomes. We go from stinking terrible to mediocre/bad and lose 5-6 draft spots because of this.
He's the difference between having a legit shot at Wiggins, Parker or Randle and a 10th or 11th pick in 2014.

Are you sure about that? He'd be taking minutes away from Green. Wallace has been *bad. We don't have shooters and apparently he isn't one and has been bad because he's been cast in the role of a shooter.

Plus, say we can't simply not play Gerald Wallace for whatever reason...say we can't limit his minutes...for whatever reason...say him being on the roster is detrimental to the tanking agenda...it's a pretty bad reason to try and get rid of him. You'd need to throw in a first at least.

We'd be mortgaging our future...for...a slightly better chance at a 1st overall pick? Are people really banking on our ONE pick to churn out a 1st overall pick, not be a bust and save the franchise nowadays?

I think people are too caught up with the tank. Why would you mortgage your future for *getting rid* of this guy? For the possibility of getting marginally worse to get a slightly higher chance at a possibility of a franchise player? That sound right?

I don't like tanking but I don't hate it. There's more than one way to win it all. As someone pointed out, it was Wade who won it all before LeBron because of smart management decisions (message me for your TP, please!). Heck, Wade won it all 3 times. You don't have to bottom out completely.

How would we be mortgaging our future by not playing an overpaid role player instead of playing our young guys with potential? Or do you mean throwing in a first round pick?
We don't have to do any of that. We can sit him out. He can play 10 minutes a game. and yes I'd give up a first round pick that will land in the 20-25 pick region if it meant we were guaranteed the lottery chances of a top 5 team instead of a top 12 team. No question.

Wade was the 5th pick in one of the greatest drafts of all time. They then paired him with Shaq and Antoine Walker and they got a championship. They drafted him with the 5th pick and a stacked draft.

This, like the 2003 draft, is considered a stacked draft. It's not one star like the Duncan draft. It's not two stars like the Durant, Oden draft. It's at least 3 franchise level talents.
It's like having three shots at a number one pick in other years of the draft. The scouting reports, however exaggerated they may be- are done by experts who say that the top 6 players in this draft would likely go number one in most other NBA drafts.
They do all the other drafts. They all the NBA superstars from a young age. They know what to look for.

Gerald Wallace does stink, but he'll still win us games when the correct strategy is to not win games. If he does make the roster, there's no reason why we won't just make him sit and deal him in a Rondo deal or at the deadline to a contender like the Mavs for scraps or players that don't make us better.

 
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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The original point was:

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Which you bolded and italicized and were trying to argue against(?).

I think we may have been in agreement/come to an agreement at some point somewhere somehow.

Perhaps you misread my initial post/I made it too unclear/because I made my post too unclear you misread it.

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The original point was:

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Which you bolded and italicized and were trying to argue against(?).

I think we may have been in agreement/come to an agreement at some point somewhere somehow.

Perhaps you misread my initial post/I made it too unclear/because I made my post too unclear you misread it.

I'm not sure. I was explaining that I think keeping Wallace makes us better than we want to be at this point.You're saying he's not good enough to warrant 30 million from another team.
Same page but I think we have a differing opinion on Wallace's effect on our future?
I just don't want anyone who isn't going be on our team as a future contributor playing valuable minutes- especially if he's going to 'hurt' our chances in the lottery.
You're saying he's too crap to worry about and no one will want him anyway?

No harm meant either way, hope it didn't come across that way :)
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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The original point was:

I still have yet to find a legitimate explanation - scratch that - any explanation at all as to why we'd be in any hurry to trade Wallace. He's not going to play well enough to be worth 30 million (or whatever crazy number it was).

Which you bolded and italicized and were trying to argue against(?).

I think we may have been in agreement/come to an agreement at some point somewhere somehow.

Perhaps you misread my initial post/I made it too unclear/because I made my post too unclear you misread it.

I'm not sure. I was explaining that I think keeping Wallace makes us better than we want to be at this point.You're saying he's not good enough to warrant 30 million from another team.
Same page but I think we have a differing opinion on Wallace's effect on our future?
I just don't want anyone who isn't going be on our team as a future contributor playing valuable minutes- especially if he's going to 'hurt' our chances in the lottery.
You're saying he's too crap to worry about and no one will want him anyway?

No harm meant either way, hope it didn't come across that way :)

For sure there's no harm. After all the whole point of forums is to discuss, even if it's wholly because of a point of confusion.

Not to be pressing but it's just I've seen several posters on both here and realgm talking about trying to trade Wallace. I don't get it.

There is just no point in actively looking and expending energy and resources to trade Wallace. Simply sit him in your case. The 4 years (or so) of cap hold is meaningless for a rebuilding team.

Which was why I asked the question in the first place. Is there value in trading him? I say no.

Unless there's an opportunity that needs cap space. Even then we have a trade exception, and expirings in Humphries and Bogans.

So, yes, I think we're in agreement mostly.

P.S. It's probably my fault that all this confusion happened. I tend to type too much. Even in this post.

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It seems to me that we will keep Humphries and Bogan to unload their expiring contracts at the end of the year. Read somewhere that if we did that we would be about $10 mill under the cap next year.

I'm sure Danny would love to trade Wallace for an expiring too. That would put us at $20 mill under, enough to sign a max contract.

My understanding is right now he is going for cap space, of course that plan could change at anytime if a good trade offer pops up.