Compelling Argument on why Boston needs to trade Rondo now

[LarBrd33]

FYI, Alex Kennedy didn't actually write that article.  I just saw him link to it on his twitter.  The article is written by someone named Nate Duncan.

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 4h

Great article by @NateDuncanNBA, where he makes the argument that the Boston Celtics need to trade Rajon Rondo now: http://tinyurl.com/krg39lg

I found it to be an interesting read, though.  It's definitely negative.  But if anything, it explains a certain viewpoint that some teams throughout the league probably share... and is probably the reason why Danny has had so much trouble trading Rondo over the years.

Nate Duncan's latest tweet:

Nate Duncan ‏@NateDuncanNBA 1h

For those Boston fans who want to keep Rondo to chase the 8th playoff spot this year, ask Milwaukee how much fun that is.

The only trade attempt I've ever been aware of publicly acknowledged is the Chris Paul attempt a year and a half ago. Well, Paul is a consensus third to fifth best player in the league and a player Ainge tried to deal a prime Paul Pierce for. I feel like you're seriously reaching with the " has had so much trouble trading Rondo " assertion.

Rumors are rumors.  We've been hearing Rondo trade rumors for years.  I guess we can pretend all of them were unsubstantiated and were never actually discussed.

One, off the top of my head, was that we tried to trade for a then-injured Steph Curry and Golden State turned us down.  http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/29/2834194/rumor-celtics-aggressively-shopping-rajon-rondo

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I find it funny that the Green lensed glasses homers on here can't make much of a legitimate argument rebutting the article and instead choose to just rip the guy. He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

Kennedy argument : Facts mixed with opinions

Homers argument : Nuh Uh! You're an idiot! Rondo is the greatest player ever!!

 

So anyone who doesn't agree with that article and anyone that doesn't believe we should trade Rondo this instant is a Rondo homer.  Right....nice assumption. 

Some people are so closed minded that they think everyone is either 'smart' (rondo hater) or a homer (rondo should never be traded or criticized).

Rondo is an asset of the team and there are multiple ways we could either use him or trade him to help the rebuild.  It isn't just x or y.

[merkins]

Is this the same Alex Kennedy that last night said Howard to the Rockets wasnt a done deal and that the Howard meeting with Kupchak was to discuss the future?  His credibility took a hit yesterday.

There is alot of overthinking going on here.  2 years and 25 million for an elite PG in his prime is not a bad contract deal, its a bargain.

Rondo plays defense, and compensates for his inconsistent shooting with playmaking.  Remember when he'd be left open from 18 feet because he couldnt shoot?  Well yeah, he hits that shot now.

His game is a lot like Jason Kidd's was and he's likely to carry out a similar career.  Hes going to be given a chance to lead as a vet this season, I want to see if he's got what it takes.

[Bahku]

I don't find the argument that compelling, personally.

I think most people value Rondo's gifts despite his offensive struggles.

He's one of the best passers in the NBA, and that, in a point guard, is reason enough to hang onto him.

He's extremely confident, has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, and I believe his offense suffered because he's been with a group that expected to get the ball.

He was the fourth or fifth scoring option when Ray was here, and he took seriously his job as the distributor of the ball ... if he had been on a team that required him to be the second or third option, I think his offense would have improved, but he wasn't.

Frankly, I'll take the mediocre scoring for the other skills he possesses, and despite some injuries, he is one tough little guy ... rarely have I seen a player land so hard on the floor so many times and pick himself back up.

Unless we can get a super star, (and right now we can't), I think he's our best option for the future.

[bobbyv]

Is this the same Alex Kennedy that last night said Howard to the Rockets wasnt a done deal and that the Howard meeting with Kupchak was to discuss the future?  His credibility took a hit yesterday.

There is alot of overthinking going on here.  2 years and 25 million for an elite PG in his prime is not a bad contract deal, its a bargain.

Rondo plays defense, and compensates for his inconsistent shooting with playmaking.  Remember when he'd be left open from 18 feet because he couldnt shoot?  Well yeah, he hits that shot now.

His game is a lot like Jason Kidd's was and he's likely to carry out a similar career.  Hes going to be given a chance to lead as a vet this season, I want to see if he's got what it takes.

That's him.

[Celtics4ever]

He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

He lost a lot of credibility on the peaked at 27.   NBA ballers are not peaked at 27.   Who the heck is that guy?  What makes him a genius?  Just cause you agree with it does not make it rational.  I did not find it that compelling.   I think you move Rondo if you get the right deal.  Mr. Kennedy appears to be a gossip hack like Peter Vecsey.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/pros_and_colleges/x853683457/Megliola-Celtics-should-keep-Rondo-in-the-fold

There I posted an article,  I like it that does not make it compelling to others or true.  Any bozo can post articles on the internet.  I can find articles that support both sides.  Just because you like it, and your hardly a basketball expert, doesn't make it law.

I will ask you this, who is going to trade for a guy that we don't how he recovers from injury?   Bynum trade probably nipped that in the butt.    Everyone saw the Sixers get burnt.

Sorry, but your article wasn't that compelling.  Maybe grow up?

[gpap]

Well, now that Smith is off the block, I think trading Rondo might be the best decision.

It would've been nice to have added another piece like Smith or Jefferson with Rondo, but now, maybe dealing him for contract dumps, expirings, draft picks and/or a really good young player might be the way to go.

Also, just to play devil's advocate, you just don't know if Rondo will be the same guy post ACL surgery and his contract will be up in 2 years.

I think if either one of these two deals comes up with either Detroit or Charlotte, you've go to do it

1.)Boston/Detroit
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6308363
Celts get: Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva (expirings), Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Andre Drummond

Detroit gets: Rondo, Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass, Jordan Crawford and Fab Melo

2.)Boston/Charlotte
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6308360
Celts get: Ramon Sessions, Ben Gordon (both expirings), Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Brendan Haywood, 2014 draft pick traded to them from Detroit in Corey Maggette deal (top 8 protected by Detroit.)

Bobcats get: Rondo, Lee, Bass, Crawford and Fab Melo

In both deals, we get major salary relief and set ourselves up for big cap space in 2015. Also in both deals we get at least one really good young player. If we go the Charlotte route, we also get their 2014 draft pick from Detroit (top 8 protected.)

[LooseCannon]

FYI, Alex Kennedy didn't actually write that article.  I just saw him link to it on his twitter.  The article is written by someone named Nate Duncan.

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 4h

Great article by @NateDuncanNBA, where he makes the argument that the Boston Celtics need to trade Rajon Rondo now: http://tinyurl.com/krg39lg

I found it to be an interesting read, though.  It's definitely negative.  But if anything, it explains a certain viewpoint that some teams throughout the league probably share... and is probably the reason why Danny has had so much trouble trading Rondo over the years.

Nate Duncan's latest tweet:

Nate Duncan ‏@NateDuncanNBA 1h

For those Boston fans who want to keep Rondo to chase the 8th playoff spot this year, ask Milwaukee how much fun that is.

The only trade attempt I've ever been aware of publicly acknowledged is the Chris Paul attempt a year and a half ago. Well, Paul is a consensus third to fifth best player in the league and a player Ainge tried to deal a prime Paul Pierce for. I feel like you're seriously reaching with the " has had so much trouble trading Rondo " assertion.

Rumors are rumors.  We've been hearing Rondo trade rumors for years.  I guess we can pretend all of them were unsubstantiated and were never actually discussed.

One, off the top of my head, was that we tried to trade for a then-injured Steph Curry and Golden State turned us down.  http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/29/2834194/rumor-celtics-aggressively-shopping-rajon-rondo

Ray Allen claimed that Ainge proposed him and Rondo for STAT, Barbosa, and the 14th pick in the 2009 draft (used by Phoenix on Earl Clark, but maybe Ainge would have taken Jrue Holiday or Ty Lawson, who both went a few picks later.

If Ainge is making calls about Rondo, it's not because he's desperate to unload Rondo and can't find any takers, it's that he wants to "win" a trade and come away with a guy he believes will have multiple All-Star appearances as a Celtic.

We've also heard rumors that other GMs think that Ainge calls around a lot but usually isn't serious.  Even if he is not serious, by getting their reaction, he can gauge their interests and predict who they might draft, so he knows if he has to trade up or if he can trade down to get the guy he wants.

[Eja117]

I find it funny that the Green lensed glasses homers on here can't make much of a legitimate argument rebutting the article and instead choose to just rip the guy. He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

Kennedy argument : Facts mixed with opinions

Homers argument : Nuh Uh! You're an idiot! Rondo is the greatest player ever!!

 

Rondo is a great player on a great contract. He is one of the greatest pgs of his time

[bfrombleacher]

Come on, man! You know better than that!

[LarBrd33]

He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

He lost a lot of credibility on the peaked at 27.   NBA ballers are not peaked at 27.   Who the heck is that guy?  What makes him a genius?  Just cause you agree with it does not make it rational.  I did not find it that compelling.   I think you move Rondo if you get the right deal.  Mr. Kennedy appears to be a gossip hack like Peter Vecsey.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/pros_and_colleges/x853683457/Megliola-Celtics-should-keep-Rondo-in-the-fold

There I posted an article,  I like it that does not make it compelling to others or true.  Any bozo can post articles on the internet.  I can find articles that support both sides.  Just because you like it, and your hardly a basketball expert, doesn't make it law.

I will ask you this, who is going to trade for a guy that we don't how he recovers from injury?   Bynum trade probably nipped that in the butt.    Everyone saw the Sixers get burnt.

Sorry, but your article wasn't that compelling.  Maybe grow up?

Lol ... you sound angry. 

It's an interesting article.  The author of the article (Nate Duncan) is probably just some nobody blogger... but he brings up some great points about Rondo.  I'm sure some of these are reasons why ROndo has likely played his last games as a Celtic.  At the end of the article he sums up what a lot of people have already been saying (myself included):

Rajon Rondo was already a little overrated even before his ACL injury, but no doubt there are some teams who still overvalue him.  The Celtics aren’t going anywhere next year, keeping Rondo will only hurt their draft stock and Rondo’s post-ACL play and the looming end of his contract could reduce his trade value if the Celtics wait.  Ainge should get what he can for Rondo before the season starts, preferably in a package including a first-round pick in the theoretically loaded 2014 draft.

We'll see what happens.   If we can get a good enough package this offseason, Rondo's gone.

[LarBrd33]

I find it funny that the Green lensed glasses homers on here can't make much of a legitimate argument rebutting the article and instead choose to just rip the guy. He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

Kennedy argument : Facts mixed with opinions

Homers argument : Nuh Uh! You're an idiot! Rondo is the greatest player ever!!

 

Rondo is a great player on a great contract. He is one of the greatest pgs of his time

Just checked twitter today.  Thought it was funny that some fans are already prepping to steal Rondo from our down-in-the-dumps team in 2015:

Evan Roberts ‏@JoeandEvan 1 Jul

When the Knicks have major cap room in summer of 2015, I have noticed Rondo, Love and Hibbert as big free agents

Rafael Villegas ‏@inhalethebeat 1h

So I've been thinking.. maybe the Rockets are trying to make a run in the 2015 free agency. Rondo and Aldridge are two notable free agents..

That "contract" isn't as favorable as some like to believe.  An injury prone player like Rondo... we'll be lucky to see him even play half of the games over the final two years of that contract... and then good luck trying to sign him to an extension... Wonder how "favorable" his next contract will be. 

Fact is, Boston's probably not making the playoffs over the next two years even WITH a healthy Rondo.  That's one of the key points of this guy's article... even if you think you can sign Rondo to an extension, Boston's not going to be a threat to win anything until Rondo's next contract... when he'll be in his 30s and he'll likely be overpaid.

[RJ87]

FYI, Alex Kennedy didn't actually write that article.  I just saw him link to it on his twitter.  The article is written by someone named Nate Duncan.

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 4h

Great article by @NateDuncanNBA, where he makes the argument that the Boston Celtics need to trade Rajon Rondo now: http://tinyurl.com/krg39lg

I found it to be an interesting read, though.  It's definitely negative.  But if anything, it explains a certain viewpoint that some teams throughout the league probably share... and is probably the reason why Danny has had so much trouble trading Rondo over the years.

Nate Duncan's latest tweet:

Nate Duncan ‏@NateDuncanNBA 1h

For those Boston fans who want to keep Rondo to chase the 8th playoff spot this year, ask Milwaukee how much fun that is.

The only trade attempt I've ever been aware of publicly acknowledged is the Chris Paul attempt a year and a half ago. Well, Paul is a consensus third to fifth best player in the league and a player Ainge tried to deal a prime Paul Pierce for. I feel like you're seriously reaching with the " has had so much trouble trading Rondo " assertion.

Rumors are rumors.  We've been hearing Rondo trade rumors for years.  I guess we can pretend all of them were unsubstantiated and were never actually discussed.

One, off the top of my head, was that we tried to trade for a then-injured Steph Curry and Golden State turned us down.  http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/29/2834194/rumor-celtics-aggressively-shopping-rajon-rondo

GSW were also in talks over CP3 and the major sticking point was Curry, it was widely reported that Ainge was trying to deal Rondo for Curry so he could flip Curry to NOH for CP3. GSW didn't want to deal Curry at all - not even for CP3.

If you're gonna tell a story, at least tell the whole thing.

[Eja117]

I find it funny that the Green lensed glasses homers on here can't make much of a legitimate argument rebutting the article and instead choose to just rip the guy. He makes some valid points. He doesn't try and state it is absolute fact and will happen, rather is presenting a rational thought process behind why it might make sense to trade the guy.

Kennedy argument : Facts mixed with opinions

Homers argument : Nuh Uh! You're an idiot! Rondo is the greatest player ever!!

 

Rondo is a great player on a great contract. He is one of the greatest pgs of his time

Just checked twitter today.  Thought it was funny that some fans are already prepping to steal Rondo from our down-in-the-dumps team in 2015:

Evan Roberts ‏@JoeandEvan 1 Jul

When the Knicks have major cap room in summer of 2015, I have noticed Rondo, Love and Hibbert as big free agents

Rafael Villegas ‏@inhalethebeat 1h

So I've been thinking.. maybe the Rockets are trying to make a run in the 2015 free agency. Rondo and Aldridge are two notable free agents..

That "contract" isn't as favorable as some like to believe.  An injury prone player like Rondo... we'll be lucky to see him even play half of the games over the final two years of that contract... and then good luck trying to sign him to an extension... Wonder how "favorable" his next contract will be. 

Fact is, Boston's probably not making the playoffs over the next two years even WITH a healthy Rondo.  That's one of the key points of this guy's article... even if you think you can sign Rondo to an extension, Boston's not going to be a threat to win anything until Rondo's next contract... when he'll be in his 30s and he'll likely be overpaid.

So wait a second. He's going to be a cripple, but get a huge contract because when he was young and healthy he signed a very favorable contract, but now that he'll be older and less good and unable to make it through a season he will demand a lot more?  That's the thinking here?

[BballTim]

I just saw this linked by Alex Kennedy on his twitter:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/the-time-to-trade-rajon-rondo-is-now

It's an interesting article.  Curious what everyone thinks.

Some of the arguments in his article is that Rondo's a poor offensive player who lead a declining offense over the past few years in spite of having above-average offensive players in KG, PIerce and Ray.  Additionally, he argues that Rondo's athleticism was already in decline prior to the injury... and that ROndo relies on his athleticism.  Most importantly, he argues that Rondo will be in a free agent in a couple years and the tanking Celtics are at a severe risk of losing rondo for nothing if they don't do something sooner rather than later.  Lots of other thoughts in there.  Check it out.

  It's not true that Rondo's a poor offensive player. It's not true that he's surrounded by above average offensive players (as anyone who saw the Knicks series can attest). It's not true that Rondo relies on his athleticism that much. It's the kind of thing most people who follow the team closely would dismiss out of hat, aside from the people who (wrongly) thought the team was better without Rondo.

  Give the guy credit though, he's right about Rondo being a free agent in a few years.