Why Not Give Gerald Wallace a Chance?

[jaketwice]

Can Wallace play SG?

[rondoallaturca]

Can Wallace play SG?

Not a chance.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Gerald Wallace is a good player.....he has a lot to offer....Humphries does too.....a good inside man.....lots of the blue collar work.....with him and shav...we have rebounding locked up..!!!

[Tr1boy]

Personaly i don't mind Wallace. I always thought if Wallace had a steady jump shot, he could be one of the best SF's in the league. Just wildly energetic, high motor, rebounding, diving for balls etc.

Now he is a good off the bench guy, but has a contract of a starter

I think people will come to like Wallaces game.

[vinnie]

If there was a deal to clear him for nothing, you have to do it.  Cap space / a trade exception is likely more valuable than anything we got in trade.

I appreciate Wallace's career, but his year last season was atrocious.  7.7 points on 39.7% shooting, with mediocre rebounding and defense.  I understand the argument that his value can only improve, but that's not always the case.

Are we making the same statement then about Avery Bradley? He scored 9.2 pts per game on 40.2% shooting. Not a whole lot different numbers. In fact if you look at the PER stats, Avery's 8.89 is a lot worse than Wallace's 11.58. Are we running him out on a rail or looking at other things he does well that might be a reason to give him a shot?

For that matter, Humphries had 5.8 pts and 5.6 boards on 44.5% shooting in only 18 minutes PT with a 13.67 per. Maybe he could actually provide something to the team. (That being said I am likely on board with trading Rondo and tanking to have a good shot at Wiggins so I don't know I want either one helping us win games)

Thank God Avery isn't making the money Wallace is. I happen to think that Avery would be a nice third guard.

[LooseCannon]

Can Wallace play SG?

Depends on who you think was the SG in an Augustin/Wallace/Stephen Jackson/Diaw/Mohammad lineup in Charlotte or a Crawford/Wallace/Batum/Aldridge/Camby lineup in Portland.  He's capable enough that teams have had him occasionally bring the ball up the floor.

I suspect he could be capable of defending those big two guards who make some fans nervous about watching Bradley being posted up.

He can play SG if he can defend the opposing SG.

[bobbyv]

That being said, if we can move him for an expiring contract we have to do so. The free agent class next year is going to be very good. Ideally we use this year to develop Olynyk, Bradley, Green and Sully, then after the year draft an impact player, and add an impact free agent, putting us right back into the playoff hunt with a young team that can grow into a contender.

That's a myth. There are no game changers in that draft class other than Lebron, and he's not coming here.

[jaketwice]

Can Wallace play SG?

Depends on who you think was the SG in an Augustin/Wallace/Stephen Jackson/Diaw/Mohammad lineup in Charlotte or a Crawford/Wallace/Batum/Aldridge/Camby lineup in Portland.  He's capable enough that teams have had him occasionally bring the ball up the floor.

I suspect he could be capable of defending those big two guards who make some fans nervous about watching Bradley being posted up.

He can play SG if he can defend the opposing SG.

TP.  Would you rather have him or Marshon Brooks at SG?

What about:

Rondo
Wallace
Green
Sullinger
Olynyk

Starters

Going deeper:

Bradley, Brooks,  Bass, Iverson, Humphries.

Too big a depth chart. Humphries and maybe Brooks are expendable right now.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Contract aside, and I think this will eventually work itself out, I'm excited to have Wallace on this team.

He could potentially be quite exciting playing with Rondo and Green. And I could also envision him being a good player off the bench who can play the 3 and 4 and defend tough opponents as required. Be an instigator, and play hard. I think we'll enjoy him being here.

[Roy H.]

If there was a deal to clear him for nothing, you have to do it.  Cap space / a trade exception is likely more valuable than anything we got in trade.

I appreciate Wallace's career, but his year last season was atrocious.  7.7 points on 39.7% shooting, with mediocre rebounding and defense.  I understand the argument that his value can only improve, but that's not always the case.

Are we making the same statement then about Avery Bradley? He scored 9.2 pts per game on 40.2% shooting. Not a whole lot different numbers. In fact if you look at the PER stats, Avery's 8.89 is a lot worse than Wallace's 11.58. Are we running him out on a rail or looking at other things he does well that might be a reason to give him a shot?

Geez, talk about apples and oranges.

Avery Bradley is 22 years old.  He's scheduled to make $2.5 million.  Most importantly, he's an elite defender, one of the top 10 in the league.

Gerald Wallace is 31 years old (or will be in two weeks).  He's scheduled to make $10+ million.  He's no longer an elite defender, and his offensive production has declined for four straight seasons.

You see those two players as being comparable?

Just saying that his overall production based on those numbers aren't as bad as everyone seems to be making them out to be.

Well, no, Wallace was pretty terrible.

In terms of points per minute, he ranked 275th out of 299 players who played 800 minutes last year.  He's one of 13 players meeting that criteria who both shot below 40% from the field and averaged as few as 9.2 points per 36 minutes.

The players worse than Wallace in terms of both FG%, eFG% and points per minute:

Luke Walton
Ronnie Brewer
Chris Singleton
Dahntay Jones
Draymond Green
Earl Watson

That's it.  Six guys, among those playing 800 minutes.

[connor]

Can Wallace play SG?

Depends on who you think was the SG in an Augustin/Wallace/Stephen Jackson/Diaw/Mohammad lineup in Charlotte or a Crawford/Wallace/Batum/Aldridge/Camby lineup in Portland.  He's capable enough that teams have had him occasionally bring the ball up the floor.

I suspect he could be capable of defending those big two guards who make some fans nervous about watching Bradley being posted up.

He can play SG if he can defend the opposing SG.

TP.  Would you rather have him or Marshon Brooks at SG?

What about:

Rondo
Wallace
Green
Sullinger
Olynyk

Starters

Going deeper:

Bradley, Brooks,  Bass, Iverson, Humphries.

Too big a depth chart. Humphries and maybe Brooks are expendable right now.

Wallace cannot and should not play SG.

Ok let me rephrase that, Wallace should not play SG. He has done it in the past, but he is absolutely more suited for SF/PF roles than he is for SG.

One of the biggest issues with Wallace last season and one of his biggest issues with the Nets was that he had no clearly defined role on the team. He even said it a few times out of frustration that he had no idea what his role was supposed to be.

If we want Wallace to be successful, either to be a player for us going forward or as a trade chip or just to get rid of him as some people are clamoring for, he needs a clearly defined role so he can get comfortable and into a rhythm. I have rarely seen a player look so lost offensively as Gerald Wallace was last year. He honestly looked like the SF version of Fab Melo.

I think the best thing we could do for Wallace is settle him in as Green's primary backup at SF and as our PF when we go small. Tell him that all we want is hustle and energy (his two main attributes) and to focus on cleaning the boards and not worry about his scoring.

There is a solid chance that his poor play in Brooklyn could be chalked up to misuse and getting inside his own head rather than wear and tear. If we can get him solid minutes and let him be comfortable, I think he could work his way back to the player he was.

[Smitty77]

Wallace is probably the last person I wanted on the Celtics in the whole NBA , 

for me he is right along side Bynum, Wade, Haslem,  Mette Jerk off  as the last players I want on a team .

he can't he dumped quick enough for me.

Why ShaqAttack??

[Smitty77]

I know everyone says he was placed in the wrong role last year, but he averaged 7 points a game on 39 percent shooting. Plus, he is a guy who is often injured. I don't hate the guy, but would prefer not seeing him on the Celtics.

Not in the playoffs where he shot over 46% from the floor and almost 38% from three!!!!

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gerald_wallace/

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

If there was a deal to clear him for nothing, you have to do it.  Cap space / a trade exception is likely more valuable than anything we got in trade.

I appreciate Wallace's career, but his year last season was atrocious.  7.7 points on 39.7% shooting, with mediocre rebounding and defense.  I understand the argument that his value can only improve, but that's not always the case.

Yes, but he shot over 47% with Portland in 2011-2012.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gerald_wallace/career_stats.html

Yes, he clearly had an off year!!! 

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

If there was a deal to clear him for nothing, you have to do it.  Cap space / a trade exception is likely more valuable than anything we got in trade.

I appreciate Wallace's career, but his year last season was atrocious.  7.7 points on 39.7% shooting, with mediocre rebounding and defense.  I understand the argument that his value can only improve, but that's not always the case.

Are we making the same statement then about Avery Bradley? He scored 9.2 pts per game on 40.2% shooting. Not a whole lot different numbers. In fact if you look at the PER stats, Avery's 8.89 is a lot worse than Wallace's 11.58. Are we running him out on a rail or looking at other things he does well that might be a reason to give him a shot?

Geez, talk about apples and oranges.

Avery Bradley is 22 years old.  He's scheduled to make $2.5 million.  Most importantly, he's an elite defender, one of the top 10 in the league.

Gerald Wallace is 31 years old (or will be in two weeks).  He's scheduled to make $10+ million.  He's no longer an elite defender, and his offensive production has declined for four straight seasons.

You see those two players as being comparable?

Wallace might not be an elite defender, but he is still a VERY GOOD SF defender!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smitty77