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How many wins does Rondo add to this team?

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How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« on: July 04, 2013, 03:40:19 AM »

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Is it enough to prevent a tank from crashing into the TD Garden?

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2013, 03:47:29 AM »

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Well I mean... you gotta figure he adds a lot.

But it's fair to mention that this team was 20-23 fully healthy until Rondo tore  his ACL... below .500.  And then we finished the season 41-40.

Also fair to note that it had been a growing trend even prior to that where the Celtics tended to win games when Rondo sat... even playoff games.  Usually it was because Pierce stepped up in Rondo's absence, ball movement was better and spacing was better since whoever we put in for Rondo was a better shooter by default.

Plus, I used a time machine to prevent Rondo's ACL tear and we still got owned by the Knicks in round 1.  Jeff Green was a non-factor in that alternate dimension.

Really, though... without KG and Pierce this team is a 25-38 win squad.   I see the ceiling as 38 wins with a fully-healthy Rondo at the helm.  I can't imagine us winning more than that without.  Our defense was horrible when KG wasn't on the floor.  Our offense was brutal without Pierce.  They just don't have enough to make the playoffs.  And if we won 38 games, it would be seen as a disaster by a lot of fans who would prefer us to land a Top 5 pick in this huge 2014 draft.   Without Rondo, I imagine we'd struggle to even win 25 games.  That's why you can expect to see heavy Rondo trade rumors in a couple weeks.

I'm going to guess "10".  That depends.  Do we still have nationally televised games next year?  It might be less.   

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013, 07:05:49 AM »

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Rondo can add if you have the right the players.   He needs shooters.  Our shooters were aging and less effective.   He can affect a game in many ways but isn't a take over a game and score the winning bucket guy.   But if you have skilled guys he can make them look better by setting them up.

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2013, 07:08:00 AM »

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I think people forget how bad this team was in the beginning of last year with Rondo in the line up.

Now we don't know if that was coaching or team chemistry. But that far in chemistry should be a problem. They didn't have  a run until after Rondo went down. But PP and KG were still here.

Now Im not saying we are better with out Rondo, but we also don't have PP and KG's scoring and defense and leadership. I think that drops 10 games from last season.

So I don't think Rondo being in the line up will add any more wins then we had last season. Right now as it stands it could be a 35 to 40 win team.

But with Stevens as coach, who knows how the players will respond. If he's as good as they say he is, and was in college getting every thing out of his players, this team could exceed expectations.

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2013, 07:17:47 AM »

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I think with Rondo being the "man" he will step up and be a more consistent player.

He won't take a back seat anymore.

If he does they'll win a lot more games than if he is the inconsistent player we've seen drift in and out over the past few years.

There's no denying that if Rondo is engaged every night, its a scary thought how well he will do

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2013, 09:05:09 AM »

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I don't think many people here ever played basketball before.....because if they did they would see that rondo is team......you don't find a true pg like him just anytime you want......he has nice passes that hit you where you need the ball, he sets you up for running with him, he can take it to the hole when he needs to, now he can shoot also..he NEVER turns the ball over....no one steals it from him.......he is still inventing new things, he invented more new passes than most other pgs even made......and you wish to dump him.....because he stands up for his team mates...like the chief or bird did....or that whole era....back then, you did something wrong to a CELTIC...YOU were gonna get it BACK......THAT is TEAM.....keeps it straight...!

  It isn't how many games he wins....that isn't how it works..on a CELTIC team, all are involved and all contribute to the win.....The winning SHOT...is a falsehood.WHY did you let it get to that point, and how to fix it....team.....rondo is team...! Most of those other guys are all about themselves.....cp3, more players, more money, leaving teams......I heard NONE of that from rondo.....

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2013, 09:10:57 AM »

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I would say around 10 to 15 wins.

Due to his recovery from a serious injury and possible missed time at the start of the season, I would guess closer to 10 next year.

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2013, 09:26:43 AM »

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Well I mean... you gotta figure he adds a lot.

But it's fair to mention that this team was 20-23 fully healthy until Rondo tore  his ACL... below .500.  And then we finished the season 41-40.

Also fair to note that it had been a growing trend even prior to that where the Celtics tended to win games when Rondo sat... even playoff games.  Usually it was because Pierce stepped up in Rondo's absence, ball movement was better and spacing was better since whoever we put in for Rondo was a better shooter by default.

Plus, I used a time machine to prevent Rondo's ACL tear and we still got owned by the Knicks in round 1.  Jeff Green was a non-factor in that alternate dimension.

Really, though... without KG and Pierce this team is a 25-38 win squad.   I see the ceiling as 38 wins with a fully-healthy Rondo at the helm.  I can't imagine us winning more than that without.  Our defense was horrible when KG wasn't on the floor.  Our offense was brutal without Pierce.  They just don't have enough to make the playoffs.  And if we won 38 games, it would be seen as a disaster by a lot of fans who would prefer us to land a Top 5 pick in this huge 2014 draft.   Without Rondo, I imagine we'd struggle to even win 25 games.  That's why you can expect to see heavy Rondo trade rumors in a couple weeks.

I'm going to guess "10".  That depends.  Do we still have nationally televised games next year?  It might be less.

The biggest loss is KG rather than Pierce. Pierce was a big problem for our struggles last year. Our team based struggles were mainly from system standpoint than from a personnel standpoint though, and Doc had a lot to do with it.

Terry and Rondo just didn't play well off each other, particularly defensively. Yet Doc insisted that this was our stating unit. Doc insisted in making Jason freaking Collins our starting center in December, and he stayed there quite some time... I mean, come on!

Our defense was putrid because the Rondo/Terry combination simply didn't work in our perimeter. Pierce did a very poor job defensively throughout the season, making our defense quite porous which was lethal on a team that lacked size and shot blocking outside of KG. And this wasn't help with the demotion of our best wing defender merely because he had a bad start to the season, and benched by Doc too prematurely which obviously worked wonders for his confidence going forward. Yet he stuck by the veteran Terry and overplayed Collins even when they were clearly sucking.

Jeff Green was still recovering. Bradley was out for half a season, only had a month worth of games with Rondo last season together.

Rondo was a problem himself, but I think it had more to do with a team that was very indecisive on the strategy they wanted to use and an over-reliance in players that shouldn't have been relied on to the amount they were.

You remove Pierce and Terry from this team, you have solved a lot of what has plagued Rondo in the last couple of years. Though I still am a bit pessimistic about his willingness to run, there is some truth to the idea that a younger more mobile team is just want Rondo needs, and what this team needs.

All that said, for all the complains we have about our offense, our offense was still pretty good in the first half of the year we struggled in... until we started imploding. But defense was always the biggest issue, but something that was improving as the year went on, quite substantially, and when Bradley returned we started dominating on that side of the floor too.

Don't discount that we were also relying on a rookie PF to be our center, and how his defense vastly improved through the year to the point that it looked dominant, that's something to look into as we go forward.

And then there's Bass... do we really need to get into this? A player that at times had to play center with Green at PF... who the heck thinks that's a good idea? Doc certainly did. Not only that his effort in the first half of the season was simply putrid.

In the end, last year's team had a lot of issues, and Rondo was really the least of it... and I've been very critical of him. But I think you remove the vets, particularly underpeforming ones, from his side, and I'm positive we'll see a different side of Rondo.

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 09:36:01 AM »

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before or after he is traded for being a pita.?

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 09:38:28 AM »

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wouldn't be surprised to see Rondo traded to Utah ......before he ever plays another game as a Celtic

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2013, 09:49:59 AM »

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I think they are a 30 to 35 win team with Rondo, 15-20 without. With the team as is (No other PG)

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2013, 10:02:33 AM »

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Less than five, due to his significant limitations on both ends of the floor.
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Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2013, 10:23:53 AM »

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Over what alternative?  Otherwise not having any point guard at all?

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2013, 11:01:26 AM »

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look back at it now...terry was a waste..and doc should have seen that right off...twill should have been played right off...look at him..he is a beast....6'6" 235....fast, strong able...!!! running with rondo.....defense....another doc failure.....and now dannny wants him gone.....lee..and the other guards did what.....not half the potential he has.....twill....they ARE who they are...he is on the way UP....so dumb to let twill go...and such short money for the kid....and easy keep...!!! if danny has so much VISION...how could he let twill go....proof....he let tony allen go and kept marquis danials....= double duh.....Mr paper.....never showed any skills.....okay once in a while....not half as good as TA....now we have twill.....and he lets him go too.....you will not recover from letting rondo go....how many guys do you actually think you are going to get next year.....??? the dreamers here amaze me.....you always want to just go sign some new young guys..then you think it is okay that they also don't play.....

Re: How many wins does Rondo add to this team?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2013, 05:19:34 PM »

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During Deron's first full season with the Nets, they still secured the fifth worst record in the league. Honestly, the whole "how many wins does Rondo add to our record" talks are getting blown way out of proportion. We can most definitely tank and secure a high lottery pick without having to sit out Rondo excessively and/or trade him.