Report: Pistons Interested In Rondo If He Becomes Available

[connor]

Still, I think in general Rondo is not seen as having similar value to the top point guards in the league -- Paul, D-Will, Curry, Parker, Rose, Westbrook, Irving in particular -- whereas I think a lot of Celtics fans would be incensed to be told as much.

That's exactly where I think Rondo ranks with a couple of other PG's quickly gaining ground (Wall, Rubio, Holiday).

I think at his best Rondo is at or near the level (of on-court impact) of those players, but his unique skillset means it's harder to find a good fit for him on a team.  Rondo is also at his best less consistently than those other players. 

Couple that with the fact that he's older than most of those guys and is coming off a major knee injury and I don't think it's surprising that his trade value isn't on the same level.

I think fans view it differently to GMs though and I think GMs are going to value Rondo similarly to the those top flight PGs.

OK probably a notch below Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Irving. but only because of the injury and age (although he is younger than Paul and Parker).

Rondo's unique skillset makes him difficult to match with a team, but his talent is undeniable and his playmaking ability (particularly in the spotlight/playoffs) should elevate him to that level. He shouldn't be downgraded just because he has a different skillset. That being said I can see how his market may be narrowed because he needs to be paired with scorers, whereas the other PGs fit more traditionally.

But GMs are evaluating the talent and trying to build playoff contenders and Rondo has that talent and is a proven playoff commodity. 

The number of interested teams may be a lot smaller than what most people think, but I don't think that impacts his value greatly.

At the end of the day he is arguably a top 5, but at least top 7/8 PG in the league though and regardless of the number of suitors, we should get a return fitting that.

[LooseCannon]

I can't believe that most of the posters have no interest in the deal if it involves Gerald Wallace. They seem to think his contract is not worth taking on Rondo. Funny since all of us here don't even consider the deal without Monroe/Drummond. It seems we are VERY far apart on a deal.

I think this fact that Wallace's deal is considered so toxic means we really need to showcase him this season. I have no doubt that he will be considerably better next season and the fit with NJ will just be considered a bad one.

I have a lot of doubt about Wallace playing better next season.  I think that you have a better shot of running him out there with the hope that a few concussions will force him to retire for medical reasons than you have of trying to showcase him for a trade.

[kozlodoev]

I can't believe that most of the posters have no interest in the deal if it involves Gerald Wallace. They seem to think his contract is not worth taking on Rondo. Funny since all of us here don't even consider the deal without Monroe/Drummond. It seems we are VERY far apart on a deal.

I think this fact that Wallace's deal is considered so toxic means we really need to showcase him this season. I have no doubt that he will be considerably better next season and the fit with NJ will just be considered a bad one.

I have a lot of doubt about Wallace playing better next season.  I think that you have a better shot of running him out there with the hope that a few concussions will force him to retire for medical reasons than you have of trying to showcase him for a trade.

Why do people want to peddle Wallace. Keep him, focus on adding talent.

[Fafnir]

I can't believe that most of the posters have no interest in the deal if it involves Gerald Wallace. They seem to think his contract is not worth taking on Rondo. Funny since all of us here don't even consider the deal without Monroe/Drummond. It seems we are VERY far apart on a deal.

I think this fact that Wallace's deal is considered so toxic means we really need to showcase him this season. I have no doubt that he will be considerably better next season and the fit with NJ will just be considered a bad one.

I have a lot of doubt about Wallace playing better next season.  I think that you have a better shot of running him out there with the hope that a few concussions will force him to retire for medical reasons than you have of trying to showcase him for a trade.

Why do people want to peddle Wallace. Keep him, focus on adding talent.

Same reason people were freaking out about Pierce being "overpaid" at 15 million and thus would be waived.

NFL sort of view of contracts.

[nickagneta]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

[nickagneta]

Also for those under valuing Rondo, know this, only two PGs in history have more consecutive years of 11 assists per game than Rondo:

Magic Johnson and John Stockton.

[Eddie20]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

That was supposed to happen this past season when everyone was saying it was "Rondo's team" during the preseason. The Big 3 gone, and subsequently losing their spot up ability, will only hurt the pass first style of Rondo and the lack of spacing/teams playing off him will also hurt his ability to penetrate.

I think Parker is a much different case than Rondo because he's a scoring PG. So with Duncan and Ginobili taking a backseat to him it allowed him to be more aggressive with his scoring.

[D.o.s.]

Also for those under valuing Rondo, know this, only two PGs in history have more consecutive years of 11 assists per game than Rondo:

Magic Johnson and John Stockton.

Well Stockton's career is obviously awful. The man doesn't even have one ring!

[Geo123]

To me so would about 20 + other teams...

That's the thing -- as Nick has pointed out, the vast majority of teams in the league have pretty good point guard situations as it is.

Most of them have point guards who are younger and cheaper than Rondo.  Point guards who have never had ACL injuries.

So in truth, the market for Rondo is actually probably a lot more limited than you might think.

Yes and I think that if you approached the Knicks or the Pacers they would jump at Rondo in a heartbeat over their current PG's as would several other teams once Rondo proves he's healthy. Felton is not a very good PG yet.  Coming off what he did 2 years ago his value wasn't much.  BTW I wouldn't call Lowry very very good.  He averaged 11.6 and 6.4 in 30 MPG.  He's a good PG     

[nickagneta]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

That was supposed to happen this past season when everyone was saying it was "Rondo's team" during the preseason. The Big 3 gone, and subsequently losing their spot up ability, will only hurt the pass first style of Rondo and the lack of spacing/teams playing off him will also hurt his ability to penetrate.

I think Parker is a much different case than Rondo because he's a scoring PG. So with Duncan and Ginobili taking a backseat to him it allowed him to be more aggressive with his scoring.

With a young running team any assists Rondo loses in the half court because a loss of KG, Pierce, and Terry will be made up for in transition assists. I think Rondo might break 12 assists a year in an uptempo transition style offense.

[Celtics18]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

That was supposed to happen this past season when everyone was saying it was "Rondo's team" during the preseason. The Big 3 gone, and subsequently losing their spot up ability, will only hurt the pass first style of Rondo and the lack of spacing/teams playing off him will also hurt his ability to penetrate.

I think Parker is a much different case than Rondo because he's a scoring PG. So with Duncan and Ginobili taking a backseat to him it allowed him to be more aggressive with his scoring.

With a young running team any assists Rondo loses in the half court because a loss of KG, Pierce, and Terry will be made up for in transition assists. I think Rondo might break 12 assists a year in an uptempo transition style offense.

Yes.

Keep in mind that Rondo managed to lead the league in assists on one of the lowest field goal attempts per game teams in the league. 

Up the pace, up the shot attempts, and Rondo is likely to average more assists as opposed to less.

[nickagneta]

To me so would about 20 + other teams...

That's the thing -- as Nick has pointed out, the vast majority of teams in the league have pretty good point guard situations as it is.

Most of them have point guards who are younger and cheaper than Rondo.  Point guards who have never had ACL injuries.

So in truth, the market for Rondo is actually probably a lot more limited than you might think.

Yes and I think that if you approached the Knicks or the Pacers they would jump at Rondo in a heartbeat over their current PG's as would several other teams once Rondo proves he's healthy. Felton is not a very good PG yet.  Coming off what he did 2 years ago his value wasn't much.  BTW I wouldn't call Lowry very very good.  He averaged 11.6 and 6.4 in 30 MPG.  He's a good PG     

Kyle Lowry is one of the 3-4 best defensive PGs in the league and a very good rebounding PG. That makes him very very good. Also, regarding those those stats, he was sharing time at the point for part of last year with Jose Calderon.

[Eddie20]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

That was supposed to happen this past season when everyone was saying it was "Rondo's team" during the preseason. The Big 3 gone, and subsequently losing their spot up ability, will only hurt the pass first style of Rondo and the lack of spacing/teams playing off him will also hurt his ability to penetrate.

I think Parker is a much different case than Rondo because he's a scoring PG. So with Duncan and Ginobili taking a backseat to him it allowed him to be more aggressive with his scoring.

With a young running team any assists Rondo loses in the half court because a loss of KG, Pierce, and Terry will be made up for in transition assists. I think Rondo might break 12 assists a year in an uptempo transition style offense.

But on the flipside, our interior defense is going to be so bad that it's going to make it that much harder to get stops and in turn get the break started. Teams are going to be going inside on us all day, either via the post or just attacking the basket. Our best shotblocker is?

[Celtics18]

To me so would about 20 + other teams...

That's the thing -- as Nick has pointed out, the vast majority of teams in the league have pretty good point guard situations as it is.

Most of them have point guards who are younger and cheaper than Rondo.  Point guards who have never had ACL injuries.

So in truth, the market for Rondo is actually probably a lot more limited than you might think.

Yes and I think that if you approached the Knicks or the Pacers they would jump at Rondo in a heartbeat over their current PG's as would several other teams once Rondo proves he's healthy. Felton is not a very good PG yet.  Coming off what he did 2 years ago his value wasn't much.  BTW I wouldn't call Lowry very very good.  He averaged 11.6 and 6.4 in 30 MPG.  He's a good PG     

Kyle Lowry is one of the 3-4 best defensive PGs in the league and a very good rebounding PG. That makes him very very good. Also, regarding those those stats, he was sharing time at the point for part of last year with Jose Calderon.

Sounds like a compromise.  In between very, very good and good is very good.

[nickagneta]

If Rondo, now that the Big Three are gone, comes back to start the season and goes 17/11/6/2 50% FG%, 70% FT%, 30% 3PT%, this year and makes another All-Star game, a lot of you guys are going to need to adjust where you rank Rondo amongst the best PGs in the league.

It was just 2 years ago when people had Tony Parker almost falling out of the Top 10 PGs in the league. The last two years he asserted himself more as Manu and Duncan took smaller roles in the regular season and some are now saying he is the best PG in the league.

Funny how those things work.

That was supposed to happen this past season when everyone was saying it was "Rondo's team" during the preseason. The Big 3 gone, and subsequently losing their spot up ability, will only hurt the pass first style of Rondo and the lack of spacing/teams playing off him will also hurt his ability to penetrate.

I think Parker is a much different case than Rondo because he's a scoring PG. So with Duncan and Ginobili taking a backseat to him it allowed him to be more aggressive with his scoring.

With a young running team any assists Rondo loses in the half court because a loss of KG, Pierce, and Terry will be made up for in transition assists. I think Rondo might break 12 assists a year in an uptempo transition style offense.

But on the flipside, our interior defense is going to be so bad that it's going to make it that much harder to get stops and in turn get the break started. Teams are going to be going inside on us all day, either via the post or just attacking the basket. Our best shotblocker is?

Absolutely marginal effect. If the Celtics play at a higher rate more possession will be created. Also, 25 teams in the league have an eFG% of less than 52%. Which means, no matter how bad the defense, the C's are still going to be getting a bunch of possession they can break on.