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Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2013, 12:25:12 PM »

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Olynyk is nothing like mchale. Mchale is a true pf, long arms, tip in, power shots in. Olynyk is a stretch 4 in the mold of brad miller. In the nba he wont be effective any other way.

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2013, 12:41:06 PM »

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So you think no inside game for the Klynyk? More of just a pick and pop stretch four?

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2013, 12:54:40 PM »

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So you think no inside game for the Klynyk? More of just a pick and pop stretch four?

Exactly. Instead of pnr it will more pick and pop.

He can model his game like nowitzki. Against true pf with length, drive by them with his dribble or shoot jumpers. Vs undersized pf like landry, post them up.

He could also just post up , and play the passing game and find cutters. But there is a reason why 7 ft guys like nowitzki, brad miller didnt operate the post against length. Its just going to b really hard. Not sayinv he cant al jefferson it with various fakes etc. But jefferson has a really good wingspan. Olynyk struggled at times vs length in college and will be a an even harder chore in the nba. If olynyk had mediocre handles and jumpshot, he gets picked in the 2nd round

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2013, 12:55:39 PM »

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So you think no inside game for the Klynyk? More of just a pick and pop stretch four?

He definitely can play inside.  More often than not though, he's a Bill Laimbeer stretch four, with a far better inside game than Bill.

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« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2013, 01:03:06 PM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.
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Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2013, 01:11:36 PM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.

You never know if he can shoot at least as accurate as nowitzki on the perimeter. I wouldnt bet against a guy who shot 63/100 in threes in a workout. He just didnt rely on his jump shot as much in college, but he can in the nba.

Nowitzki lite, ryan anderson, brad miller is the player i see in olynyk in the nba. His post game could make him unreal if he can regularly execute it game in and game out

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2013, 01:15:32 PM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.

You never know if he can shoot at least as accurate as nowitzki on the perimeter. I wouldnt bet against a guy who shot 63/100 in threes in a workout. He just didnt rely on his jump shot as much in college, but he can in the nba.

Nowitzki lite, ryan anderson, brad miller is the player i see in olynyk in the nba. His post game could make him unreal if he can regularly execute it game in and game out

The one trait I love over all the names you listed is the way he runs the floor.  He gets up and down faster than all of the players listed, which will give him easier shots when its all said and done.  I'm not going to put him in the Nowitzki class, but I do believe he'll be a step above the Ryan Andersons and Brad Millers of the world.

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2013, 01:22:41 PM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.

You never know if he can shoot at least as accurate as nowitzki on the perimeter. I wouldnt bet against a guy who shot 63/100 in threes in a workout. He just didnt rely on his jump shot as much in college, but he can in the nba.

Nowitzki lite, ryan anderson, brad miller is the player i see in olynyk in the nba. His post game could make him unreal if he can regularly execute it game in and game out

The one trait I love over all the names you listed is the way he runs the floor.  He gets up and down faster than all of the players listed, which will give him easier shots when its all said and done.  I'm not going to put him in the Nowitzki class, but I do believe he'll be a step above the Ryan Andersons and Brad Millers of the world.

Yup, quite possibly. Cant wait to see the summer league games. I think he will do well.

If he can refine his body, i see as one of the better picks from this draft. Bc zeller is going to have a tough time imo, len might be good(though wasnt consistent in college), noel is too thin and coming back from a major surgery, bennett lacks defensive effort etc.

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2013, 01:27:11 PM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.

You never know if he can shoot at least as accurate as nowitzki on the perimeter. I wouldnt bet against a guy who shot 63/100 in threes in a workout. He just didnt rely on his jump shot as much in college, but he can in the nba.

Nowitzki lite, ryan anderson, brad miller is the player i see in olynyk in the nba. His post game could make him unreal if he can regularly execute it game in and game out

The one trait I love over all the names you listed is the way he runs the floor.  He gets up and down faster than all of the players listed, which will give him easier shots when its all said and done.  I'm not going to put him in the Nowitzki class, but I do believe he'll be a step above the Ryan Andersons and Brad Millers of the world.

Yup, quite possibly. Cant wait to see the summer league games. I think he will do well.

If he can refine his body, i see as one of the better picks from this draft. Bc zeller is going to have a tough time imo, len might be good(though wasnt consistent in college), noel is too thin and coming back from a major surgery, bennett lacks defensive effort etc.

I think its a great pick just based on our situation/organization.  He compliments the other starters well, & paired with Sullinger you can definitely space the floor.

If Ainge can land a guy like Oden, that would be another compliment to his game.  Even though Oden's been gone for 4 years, you'd like to think he could come in and give you 8/6/1 in 20 minutes per.  Who knows though with him, its been so long.

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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2013, 01:31:56 PM »

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It's organic GLOBULE.  I can put up with a lot in the C's forum, but not misquoting White Men Can't Jump.  :-)  In your defense, I found it wrong all over the internet too.  Kind of crazy!

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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2013, 02:10:39 PM »

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"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs."

It's organic GLOBULE.  I can put up with a lot in the C's forum, but not misquoting White Men Can't Jump.  :-)  In your defense, I found it wrong all over the internet too.  Kind of crazy!

Thanks for the correction!  I found it this way on IMDB.
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Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2013, 11:27:27 PM »

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I'm not a Celtic fan, but I've watched Gonzaga for most of my life. I thought I'd share some of what I've gleaned from watching Olynyk the last couple years.


The first thing some may not know, although chances are by now you do, is that Olynyk has really only played as a big man 1 year in his life. Back before his redshirt year, Olynyk mostly hovered near the 3 point line and hit jump shots when open. He was not a true post player at all. This is understandable if you know about his history, particularly the fact that he was a very late bloomer and only became tall enough to be a post player his senior year of high school (and continued growing after that). In High School he was a point guard, so the transition he was forced to make after he suddenly sprouted 8+ inches was not an easy one to make.

The much publicized red shirt year was a direct result of Olynyk finally buying into the fact that he had to learn to be a true post player, and that the best way to do that was to step away from the game and train. The Olynyk GU fans saw from the '10 to '12 season was like night and day. The guy completely transformed himself. He bulked up extensively and suddenly was actually playing like a true post player. At times the guy was unstoppable, because he could combine a very good jumper with a surprisingly good amount of post moves. He improved a lot over the season as he became more comfortable with his new role, both offensively and defensively.

Why you should be excited:
*There's a lot of untapped potential. The fact he's as far progressed as he is after really only being a post player one year is quite remarkable. His offensive game can look like a thing of beauty at times, and I imagine that will only get better with time.

*Having been a PG previously he has above average ball handling skills for a guy his size. Combined with a great jumper, there's no doubt he will be good in the pick and roll if nothing else.

*The range on his shot is better than it looks if you are strictly looking at the numbers. Mark Few forced Olynyk to stay in the post 99% of the time, partially so he wouldn't go back to old habits. However, in the NBA there's no reason that he can't utilize that skill set more. His 3 point shot has potential to be pretty good.

Why you shouldn't be excited:
*While you can't discount his intensity, he'll never be a great post defender. That being said his blocks per game went from .7 his first 11 games last year, to 1.2 over his last 21 games. He is improving.

*Some of his post moves look like they'd be eaten up by an athletic big, considering they sometimes take a while to develop.

*One of the reasons he didn't always play big minutes was because of foul trouble. Part of that was because Few treated him with kiddy gloves and would yank him after getting two fouls in the first half and the other part is because he's apt to getting ticky tack soft fouls. I think the fact he's so new to being in the post is partially to blame, but it's something to watch for.

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2013, 11:31:07 PM »

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I'm not a Celtic fan, but I've watched Gonzaga for most of my life. I thought I'd share some of what I've gleaned from watching Olynyk the last couple years.


The first thing some may not know, although chances are by now you do, is that Olynyk has really only played as a big man 1 year in his life. Back before his redshirt year, Olynyk mostly hovered near the 3 point line and hit jump shots when open. He was not a true post player at all. This is understandable if you know about his history, particularly the fact that he was a very late bloomer and only became tall enough to be a post player his senior year of high school (and continued growing after that). In High School he was a point guard, so the transition he was forced to make after he suddenly sprouted 8+ inches was not an easy one to make.

The much publicized red shirt year was a direct result of Olynyk finally buying into the fact that he had to learn to be a true post player, and that the best way to do that was to step away from the game and train. The Olynyk GU fans saw from the '10 to '12 season was like night and day. The guy completely transformed himself. He bulked up extensively and suddenly was actually playing like a true post player. At times the guy was unstoppable, because he could combine a very good jumper with a surprisingly good amount of post moves. He improved a lot over the season as he became more comfortable with his new role, both offensively and defensively.

Why you should be excited:
*There's a lot of untapped potential. The fact he's as far progressed as he is after really only being a post player one year is quite remarkable. His offensive game can look like a thing of beauty at times, and I imagine that will only get better with time.

*Having been a PG previously he has above average ball handling skills for a guy his size. Combined with a great jumper, there's no doubt he will be good in the pick and roll if nothing else.

*The range on his shot is better than it looks if you are strictly looking at the numbers. Mark Few forced Olynyk to stay in the post 99% of the time, partially so he wouldn't go back to old habits. However, in the NBA there's no reason that he can't utilize that skill set more. His 3 point shot has potential to be pretty good.

Why you shouldn't be excited:
*While you can't discount his intensity, he'll never be a great post defender. That being said his blocks per game went from .7 his first 11 games last year, to 1.2 over his last 21 games. He is improving.

*Some of his post moves look like they'd be eaten up by an athletic big, considering they sometimes take a while to develop.

*One of the reasons he didn't always play big minutes was because of foul trouble. Part of that was because Few treated him with kiddy gloves and would yank him after getting two fouls in the first half and the other part is because he's apt to getting ticky tack soft fouls. I think the fact he's so new to being in the post is partially to blame, but it's something to watch for.

welcome to celticsblog and thank you for your analysis, TP

Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2013, 03:40:27 AM »

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If he learned how to attack
I am very worried about his D
he can be an Al Jefferson part 2.0 and bring us some good stuff
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Re: Olynyk & Sullinger
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2013, 05:39:51 AM »

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I wouldn't say he's a Dirk style player but he;s not low post beast. From what I've seen out of him, defenses can't just pack the paint or play perimiter defense on him, he can really go all over.

But again a guy who can't do any one thing well but does ok in a lot of areas is always a worry. Think Green before late 2013 season.

You never know if he can shoot at least as accurate as nowitzki on the perimeter. I wouldnt bet against a guy who shot 63/100 in threes in a workout. He just didnt rely on his jump shot as much in college, but he can in the nba.

Nowitzki lite, ryan anderson, brad miller is the player i see in olynyk in the nba. His post game could make him unreal if he can regularly execute it game in and game out

I really agree. Olynyk's jump shot is going to surprise a lot of people, it's pretty [dang] good. Olynyk had a tendency during his early college years to camp out in no mans land near the 3 point arc, so after he made the change, the coaches basically forbade him from leaving the paint much. I always felt if he came back another year, the coaches would finally feel comfortable enough to let him show off his entire skill set, particularly his great range. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Olynyk has very little experience playing down low, so I believe the coaching strategy was a good one. He needed to learn the post or die trying. And he got really [dang] good down low over the year, at least in my opinion.