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Why not just acquire Marion
« on: June 30, 2013, 03:48:38 PM »

Offline Moranis

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Marion

for

Bass or Lee (and whatever waivable contracts are needed for dollars)

Gets Dallas the 2.6 million in cap room they need and helps Boston unload a lot of future salary.
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Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 03:53:34 PM »

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Marion

for

Bass or Terry (and whatever waivable contracts are needed for dollars)

Gets Dallas the 2.6 million in cap room they need and helps Boston unload a lot of future salary.
Don't you mean Lee. Terry has gone to the Nets.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 03:56:58 PM »

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Marion

for

Bass or Terry (and whatever waivable contracts are needed for dollars)

Gets Dallas the 2.6 million in cap room they need and helps Boston unload a lot of future salary.
Don't you mean Lee. Terry has gone to the Nets.
yeah, I meant Lee.  Fixed now.
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Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 04:03:02 PM »

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Can we get a pick out of it too?   

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
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Marion

for

Bass or Lee (and whatever waivable contracts are needed for dollars)

Gets Dallas the 2.6 million in cap room they need and helps Boston unload a lot of future salary.

  That would be a great idea if they'd bite on it. Bass and Lee are actually useful players, which Dallas would be in need of if they get Howard.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 04:06:36 PM »

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Why not just use the trade exception we are getting?
Trade exception and filler for shawn marion and shane larkin.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 04:23:17 PM »

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Why not just use the trade exception we are getting?
Trade exception and filler for shawn marion and shane larkin.
One, that exception has not been confirmed as it will all depend on how the trade is structured.

Two, the exception, as proposed, isn't large enough to fit Marion's contract so your trade proposal is out of the question.

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 04:24:48 PM »

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When teams clear cap space, it doesn't mean they want to shed just $2.6M. Dallas isn't doing this.

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 04:43:42 PM »

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Doesn't Dallas only have like 35 million committed?  The cap is 58 million.

I thought the only point of trading Marion was so they'd have enough money to sign TWO max deals instead of one. 

If there's a Marion trade it will be Marion + assets for Rondo... so that Dallas can sell Dwight on signing with Rondo as a recruiting tool.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
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Doesn't Dallas only have like 35 million committed?  The cap is 58 million.

I thought the only point of trading Marion was so they'd have enough money to sign TWO max deals instead of one. 

If there's a Marion trade it will be Marion + assets for Rondo... so that Dallas can sell Dwight on Dallas with Rondo as a recruiting tool.
If they renounce OJ Mayo and Collison they can get enough to get cap space. It sounds like they don't want to renounce Collison if they don't have to.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 04:51:01 PM »

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Doesn't Dallas only have like 35 million committed?  The cap is 58 million.

I thought the only point of trading Marion was so they'd have enough money to sign TWO max deals instead of one. 

If there's a Marion trade it will be Marion + assets for Rondo... so that Dallas can sell Dwight on signing with Rondo as a recruiting tool.
Cap holds. They can't afford to renounce every player they have a hold on as then there's no reason for Howard to sign there as no one will be there.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »

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Why not just use the trade exception we are getting?
Trade exception and filler for shawn marion and shane larkin.
One, that exception has not been confirmed as it will all depend on how the trade is structured.

Two, the exception, as proposed, isn't large enough to fit Marion's contract so your trade proposal is out of the question.
Are you allowed to use the trade exception along with other salary to make up the difference between thetrade exception and the marions contract. Could you work out a three team trade that would bring back slightly less salary to fit within the exception? There are plenty of teams who might value marion on a one year deal. There are creative ways to make it work.

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If Dallas can get Rondo (for Marion and the rest), their pitch to DH will be -- "We'll have Dirk, Rondo and Superman!"  Sounds great, but that is literally the entire team.  They'd hit the cap with just these 3 and would need to fill the roster with MLE and vet minimums.   Might be appealing to DH if Dirk was 28.   

Cuban will have to find a very creative way to sell Dwight on coming there.   I hope he, Kevin McHale or Danny Ferry can work some magic and get DH to jump ship.  I think Dallas may have the worst chance due to Dirk's age and his 22M in 2013-14.  Getting Rondo might be their only legit shot though. 

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2013, 06:00:58 PM »

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Why not just use the trade exception we are getting?
Trade exception and filler for shawn marion and shane larkin.

 psst, he's trying to get Dallas to take a longer contract back.

Re: Why not just acquire Marion
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2013, 06:07:52 PM »

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Why not just use the trade exception we are getting?
Trade exception and filler for shawn marion and shane larkin.
One, that exception has not been confirmed as it will all depend on how the trade is structured.

Two, the exception, as proposed, isn't large enough to fit Marion's contract so your trade proposal is out of the question.
Are you allowed to use the trade exception along with other salary to make up the difference between thetrade exception and the marions contract. Could you work out a three team trade that would bring back slightly less salary to fit within the exception? There are plenty of teams who might value marion on a one year deal. There are creative ways to make it work.

It doesn't have to be a very creative trade.  If instead of structuring the Nets deal into multiple pieces for trade exceptions the trade were just completed in a single transaction, the Mavs could just hop onto the deal as a third team and send the Celtics Marion (and presumably Larkin).  The Celtics have the room to add between $14-$15 million in salaries to what they're taking back in the trade, since they're sending out about $8 million more to the Nets than they're taking back.  Marion's $9.3 million could easily fit into the deal, and Dallas wouldn't have to take anything else.

They can talk about Rondo if they want, but the Mavs don't have the pieces for Rondo, since they, at present, can't trade any firsts until 2020, and have little young talent.  If Danny bites, I'll be very ticked, since there are definitely other places for him to go.