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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2013, 02:20:59 PM »

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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2013, 02:30:49 PM »

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Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.
Brooks can't play SF. In the little bit he has in his career he has been abysmal at it.

Also, I doubt Evans would be a Rondo replacement. Evans is just not a PG, no matter how much someone tries to stick him in that role. He's a combo guard.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2013, 02:32:31 PM »

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So as we stand now we have in the back court:

PGs

Rondo

SGs

Bradley
Lee
Bogans
Crawford
Brooks

The Kings have in their back court

PGs

Freddette
Thomas
Evans
Douglas

SGs

Thornton
McLemore
McCallum

If Danny is doing a sign and trade for Evans, I am not sure Sactown would want any more guards going back their way and it makes no sense to S&T Evans without dumping some of the SGs we have on Sacramento.

Not sure how this would go in that case.

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

The only type of team that would take on a Wallace salary is a team that is almost a contender and trading for Rondo would take them there, plus has deep pockets like the Nets owners. I don't really see a team like that (ie one wanting Rondo + willing to take on bad contracts)

My main problem with Tyreke is that he is not a PG and thus is another undersized SG. I would like him a lot more if he could play the point.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2013, 02:34:15 PM »

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So as we stand now we have in the back court:

PGs

Rondo

SGs

Bradley
Lee
Bogans
Crawford
Brooks

The Kings have in their back court

PGs

Freddette
Thomas
Evans
Douglas

SGs

Thornton
McLemore
McCallum

If Danny is doing a sign and trade for Evans, I am not sure Sactown would want any more guards going back their way and it makes no sense to S&T Evans without dumping some of the SGs we have on Sacramento.

Not sure how this would go in that case.

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

The only type of team that would take on a Wallace salary is a team that is almost a contender and trading for Rondo would take them there, plus has deep pockets like the Nets owners. I don't really see a team like that (ie one wanting Rondo + willing to take on bad contracts)

My main problem with Tyreke is that he is not a PG and thus is another undersized SG. I would like him a lot more if he could play the point.

If a player measuring 6'6 is an undersized SG, I don't know what the right size for a SG actually is. Wasn't Tyreke playing some SF this year for that matter?

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2013, 02:38:05 PM »

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Agreed with BudweiserCeltic. I'm shocked someone called Tyreke an undersized SG. The dude is 6'6 and can play SF. If you think Tyreke is an undersized SG, I guess it would take Yao Ming to be a suitable SG candidate.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2013, 02:40:16 PM »

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Rondo for Thompson, Hayes, and an unprotected 1st

Lee + filler for S+T Tyreke

I just threw up on my keyboard.


That's what it takes to tank, dude.

That unprotected 1st is pretty much guaranteed to be a lottery pick.

Rondo is better than that return. Not to mention with Rondo Cousins and others its not a guarantee Kings don't make the 8th seed. So you're trading rondo for the hope that the Kings finish in the bottom 10. Not worth it at all

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2013, 02:52:05 PM »

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So as we stand now we have in the back court:

PGs

Rondo

SGs

Bradley
Lee
Bogans
Crawford
Brooks

The Kings have in their back court

PGs

Freddette
Thomas
Evans
Douglas

SGs

Thornton
McLemore
McCallum

If Danny is doing a sign and trade for Evans, I am not sure Sactown would want any more guards going back their way and it makes no sense to S&T Evans without dumping some of the SGs we have on Sacramento.

Not sure how this would go in that case.

I could see Humphries sent to Kings plus picks in a S&T for Evans.
Cs can always just cut some of the current guards.
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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:20 PM »

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Agreed with BudweiserCeltic. I'm shocked someone called Tyreke an undersized SG. The dude is 6'6 and can play SF. If you think Tyreke is an undersized SG, I guess it would take Yao Ming to be a suitable SG candidate.

Has he taken to wearing high-bottom shoes?  He was 5'5.25" with his shoes on at the combine.  But I agree, he's not really undersized at the 2.  Also, he's got a great NBA body with an inch-and-a-half greater wingspan than Olynyk.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:45 PM »

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I could see Humphries sent to Kings plus picks in a S&T for Evans.
Cs can always just cut some of the current guards.

I could see Sacramento doing that. They're preparing to part ways to Evans, so they might as well take advantage and get even more salary shed than if they simply let Evans walk.

The issue is I'm not sure Evans would be the best target for unloading Humphries's expiring. Evans certainly isn't the star that will jumpstart a retool, but he's too good for the C's to tank. He's just a really odd piece to fit into Boston's puzzle right now.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2013, 03:00:02 PM »

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So as we stand now we have in the back court:

PGs

Rondo

SGs

Bradley
Lee
Bogans
Crawford
Brooks

The Kings have in their back court

PGs

Freddette
Thomas
Evans
Douglas

SGs

Thornton
McLemore
McCallum

If Danny is doing a sign and trade for Evans, I am not sure Sactown would want any more guards going back their way and it makes no sense to S&T Evans without dumping some of the SGs we have on Sacramento.

Not sure how this would go in that case.

Brooks can play SF. Wallace PF. Bogans looks like a nice trade chip at the deadline or next year if he is fully Non-guaranteed after this year, but that doesn't mean he has to play. If we land Evans it's hard for me to see rondo staying bc I don't see the fit.

Trading rondo could mean packaging the likes of Courtney lee and Gerald Wallace with him.

The only type of team that would take on a Wallace salary is a team that is almost a contender and trading for Rondo would take them there, plus has deep pockets like the Nets owners. I don't really see a team like that (ie one wanting Rondo + willing to take on bad contracts)

My main problem with Tyreke is that he is not a PG and thus is another undersized SG. I would like him a lot more if he could play the point.

If a player measuring 6'6 is an undersized SG, I don't know what the right size for a SG actually is. Wasn't Tyreke playing some SF this year for that matter?

I guess he is 6'5" but he doesn't have great ups...anyway, I just don't like him at SG. He is not a great shooter. When he was drafted many were arguing that he could play PG in the NBA and he just cannot....plus, playing SF is even a worse idea.

I stand with my original feeling. Tyreke would be way more interesting if he was able to play PG....SG of the future (don't like) + SF (not realistic)

he's not terrible in any way (he's a nice NBA player), but now that we are starting over, I don't think he is the way to go...

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2013, 03:19:09 PM »

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We will probably have a $7.5 MM trade exception from the Pierce/KG deal. So if we choose we could probably sign him to a contract around $8 MM a year. The problem with that is we would be heading back into luxury tax territory for a team that isn't that great.

If you have a $7.5m trade exception, you can use it to acquire up to $7.5m in salary.  There is no 125/150% plus 100K wiggle room.
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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2013, 03:40:44 PM »

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Rondo for Thompson, Hayes, and an unprotected 1st

Lee + filler for S+T Tyreke

I just threw up on my keyboard.


That's what it takes to tank, dude.

That unprotected 1st is pretty much guaranteed to be a lottery pick.

Rondo is better than that return. Not to mention with Rondo Cousins and others its not a guarantee Kings don't make the 8th seed. So you're trading rondo for the hope that the Kings finish in the bottom 10. Not worth it at all

You're trading Rondo for the hope the Kings finish in the bottom 10 and that trading Rondo will ensure the Celtics finish in the bottom 10.  It's similar to the trade the Sixers made w/ Holiday.

You have a nice chance at two top 10 picks next year in a loaded draft.
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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2013, 03:41:30 PM »

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Rondo, Brandon Bass and Marshon Brooks for Evans, Jason Thompson and a 2014 unprotected pick. It's hard to judge what Evans will fetch for a contract but if he makes within a few million of 12 mil (give or take), the deal works.

Some of you may claim that is a high asking price, but if this source is correct, the Kings will lose Tyreke Evans in most if not all feasible scenarios. To get Rondo back for him would be an incredible haul.

Think of the deal, from their perspective (having accepted that Evans is basically gone), as Thompson and an unprotected pick for Rondo, Brooks and Bass. The unprotected pick in 2014 will certainly be difficult for them to give up but with the young talent they already have it's time for them to begin building a contender and escape the lottery. DMC, Rondo and McLemore is a potentially good enough core for them to be willing to relinquish the pick for Rondo's proven talent.


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Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2013, 03:48:22 PM »

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People puh-lease.

Sacramento is not trading away an unprotected 2014 1st round pick unless they are getting back Lebron or Durant.

Philly just traded away a player close to Rondo's salary and value and got a Pelican's 2014 pick but even that has protections.

Re: Personal Source: Tyreke Evans meeting with Boston July 1
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2013, 03:52:20 PM »

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Rondo for Thompson, Hayes, and an unprotected 1st

Lee + filler for S+T Tyreke

I just threw up on my keyboard.


That's what it takes to tank, dude.

That unprotected 1st is pretty much guaranteed to be a lottery pick.

Rondo is better than that return. Not to mention with Rondo Cousins and others its not a guarantee Kings don't make the 8th seed. So you're trading rondo for the hope that the Kings finish in the bottom 10. Not worth it at all

You're trading Rondo for the hope the Kings finish in the bottom 10 and that trading Rondo will ensure the Celtics finish in the bottom 10.  It's similar to the trade the Sixers made w/ Holiday.

You have a nice chance at two top 10 picks next year in a loaded draft.

  It's similar to the trade Philly made aside from getting Noels. I don't think "we'll be really bad after we give Rondo away" is a good enough justification for many of the trades I've seen, not just yours.