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Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #120 on: June 29, 2013, 04:29:40 PM »

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I also think there will be serious consideration for keeping Rondo.  Maybe he isn't the #1 option on a title winner, but he can be a great #2 or #3. 

We have to keep some veterans or decent players to balance the roster a bit, even in a rebuild.  Right now flawed as he is, RR is the best veteran presence we have on the team as well.  Someone needs to steer the rookies / younger players in the right direction.  Hopefully our new head coach can do that, but they need at least a few veterans as well.

Isn't that the only question mark in building around him?

Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #121 on: June 29, 2013, 04:32:12 PM »

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Mavs undeniably fans of Rondo, as @fishsports reported, but "trade talks" to this point have gone nowhere because Celts want only one Mav

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Mavs: We're interested in Rondo. Celts: We want Dirk. So: More teams gotta jump in or Boston gotta budge for meaningful talks to take place

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Even after ACL tear, Boston asking a lot for Rondo. Yet as we discussed Friday AM on @MikeAndMike, teams out there DO think Rondo next to go

not sure if this was posted yet, but why would the c's want dirk?
Massive expiring contract. They could move Rondo and Bass and Lee for Dirk and remove nearly $30 million in future salary off the books. And then sign and trade Dirk to a team the year after for more assets.

Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2013, 04:33:45 PM »

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I also think there will be serious consideration for keeping Rondo.  Maybe he isn't the #1 option on a title winner, but he can be a great #2 or #3. 

We have to keep some veterans or decent players to balance the roster a bit, even in a rebuild.  Right now flawed as he is, RR is the best veteran presence we have on the team as well.  Someone needs to steer the rookies / younger players in the right direction.  Hopefully our new head coach can do that, but they need at least a few veterans as well.

I do not disagree with your thought here but Rondo will not be in on it. He will not waste his prime years on a rebuild, no way no how. I think PP and KG comeback in some form to help the C's organization in a few years.

I think that Rondo's desire to move on would depend on how the rebuilding / retooling goes in the 1st year.  The first moves in this rebuild have made sense.  If the next couple moves seem like it will shorten the retool-time, then maybe Rondo will live with it.  I don't think DA is thinking 5 years to rebuild the roster.  He has been making moves for the last 3 years that have gotten us good young talent already.

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« Reply #123 on: June 29, 2013, 04:34:48 PM »

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If we dont get an all star in return for Rondo I would cry, cry even harder and be done with Danny Ainge.

He's gambling TOO MUCH for this 2014 draft when he already has enough chips. Trading away the best player who could possibly be the biggest suppirting player for this superstar he's trying to get is absolutely disgusting.

If Danny will rely on good old luck to find another piece when we already have one, who he wants to trade for assets, I'm so done. We can rebuild without giving away our best talent for more "assets".

Trade Rondo for the same or a little less caliber talent, then its a different story.

I agree with this, which is why I wouldn't want to deal Rondo. For example, if Dallas landing Rondo entices Dwight to go there, then why should we just give that satisfaction to Dallas?

Why not keep Rondo, and try to lure Dwight to come to Boston (or insert whichever big name free agent.)

The stupid part of this, Danny cant even wait for the season to see if the assets he have xan develop into enticing young prospects along with the picks he got.

He's really a coward. He realky thinks the only solution is blow it up, get as many assrts as possible and hope those assets turn into something.

  That's kind of harsh, considering he hasn't definitively blown it up yet.

Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #124 on: June 29, 2013, 04:36:28 PM »

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I'd rather keep Rondo till the 2014 draft

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This is a great point. If he plays poorly then we probably lose a ton of games anyway.

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Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #125 on: June 29, 2013, 04:38:09 PM »

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I also think there will be serious consideration for keeping Rondo.  Maybe he isn't the #1 option on a title winner, but he can be a great #2 or #3. 

We have to keep some veterans or decent players to balance the roster a bit, even in a rebuild.  Right now flawed as he is, RR is the best veteran presence we have on the team as well.  Someone needs to steer the rookies / younger players in the right direction.  Hopefully our new head coach can do that, but they need at least a few veterans as well.

Isn't that the only question mark in building around him?

Well from the comments I have read from Avery, Sully and Green they all have had good things to say about RR and his helping them adjust to the NBA and become better players.  I think for those players he has already helped, so I don't know why it would change.

I think the only 'bad team-mate' report we ever heard was the yapping that Ray did after his move to Miami.  But Ray wasn't a young and developing player.


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« Reply #126 on: June 29, 2013, 04:38:23 PM »

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I'd rather keep Rondo till the 2014 draft

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This is a great point. If he plays poorly then we probably lose a ton of games anyway.

I'd rather move him now, get a pick +assets and then have our own pick be worse and a better shot at wiggins.  If rondo plays we have a much worse Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. at wiggins
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Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2013, 04:40:31 PM »

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If they trade rondo..you can trade ME as a fan.....this is totally stupid......trading KG was dumb enough...we could have rebuilt around KG,m Rondo and Green.....with kg coming off the bench.....teaching younger guys to be a KG..! Now you have NOTHING without Rondo.....Dallas....what do they have.....trade one of the best pg's in the league.....one of a kind.....to get WHAT...?

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« Reply #128 on: June 29, 2013, 04:43:38 PM »

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Honestly, I think the whole "attitude problem" with Rondo is way too freaking overblown. blink, you're absolutely right that all the young players love Rondo. He's the one that tries to get the team together (remember last offseason's LA gathering organized by Rondo?), and tries to make everybody feel welcome. In the documentary ESPN did on the Celtics, Bradley said that after his tough rookie year, it was Rondo who kept pushing him on.

The ONLY halfway legitimate issue Rondo has created that I'll believe is with Ray Allen, but that's only cause Allen was a bona fide drama queen. And this offseason, the media tried spinning a whole story about how Rondo might've been the reason Doc left, but I highly doubt that, because every story up to this offseason has shown how much respect Doc and Rondo hold for each other.

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« Reply #129 on: June 29, 2013, 04:44:10 PM »

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I'd rather keep Rondo till the 2014 draft

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More suitors and more ammo to move up.
This is a great point. If he plays poorly then we probably lose a ton of games anyway.

I'd rather move him now, get a pick +assets and then have our own pick be worse and a better shot at wiggins.  If rondo plays we have a much worse **** at wiggins

Even without Rondo, are we seriously worse than the Bobcats, Magic, Suns, Pelicans?  I am not sure that we don't have to blow it up a lot more to get that bad.  Maybe with multiple injuries and more bad trades?

The thing is there are 5-7 other teams in the same boat who might have an even bigger ability to tank.

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« Reply #130 on: June 29, 2013, 04:47:48 PM »

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I'd rather keep Rondo till the 2014 draft

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More suitors and more ammo to move up.
This is a great point. If he plays poorly then we probably lose a ton of games anyway.

I'd rather move him now, get a pick +assets and then have our own pick be worse and a better shot at wiggins.  If rondo plays we have a much worse **** at wiggins

Even without Rondo, are we seriously worse than the Bobcats, Magic, Suns, Pelicans?  I am not sure that we don't have to blow it up a lot more to get that bad.  Maybe with multiple injuries and more bad trades?

The thing is there are 5-7 other teams in the same boat who might have an even bigger ability to tank.

Suns/Magic/Bobcats probably will still be worse than us, but the Pelicans just traded for Jrue Holiday and with a helathy Anthony Davis they should win quite a few games.

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« Reply #131 on: June 29, 2013, 04:53:25 PM »

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ALL IN!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n9s5blf

(summary: expand the Brooklyn deal to include Dirk to the Nets, Rondo + Lee + Bass to the Mavs, Larkin + Ledo + 1st rounder to the Celtics.

Brooklyn gets the most expensive "Big 6" ever (Williams, Johnson, Pierce, Garnett, Nowitzki, Lopez).

Dallas gets Rondo, signs Howard, and picks up two veterans.

Boston completely and totally unravels the team and gets 3 more cheap youngin's.

WOOOOO!!

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« Reply #132 on: June 29, 2013, 04:56:03 PM »

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Sifting through all this, the gist I'm getting is that Dallas called us about Rondo (who most teams believe is available), and Boston basically smacked it down because Dallas doesn't have any realistic package that would work.

Teams are smelling blood after the KG/Pierce deal, and are going to lowball us for Rondo.  Makes sense for Danny to be willing to talk, but demand a high price, and be willing to keep Rondo if that high price doesn't emerge.  Hopefully that's what's happening.

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« Reply #133 on: June 29, 2013, 04:56:47 PM »

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What is the Mavs cap situation? Are they trying to clear space for Howard and Smith or just Howard alone? I thought they could already offer Howard a max deal and were trying to clear space for Smith too.

If they have space no matter what we send them to get Howard (AKA they'll have to take the Josh Smith pipe dream and shove it), I can't see Cuban turning down a Rondo-Mayo (you know he stays if Rondo and Howard come aboard) -Wallace-Dirk-Howard lineup. If they are trying to fleece us for cap space and get Rondo so they have any shot at offering Howard a max deal, they're being unrealistic and there's no way this deal happens.


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Re: Rumor: Dallas Mavericks engaging in trade talks for Rajon Rondo
« Reply #134 on: June 29, 2013, 04:56:57 PM »

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I also think there will be serious consideration for keeping Rondo.  Maybe he isn't the #1 option on a title winner, but he can be a great #2 or #3. 

We have to keep some veterans or decent players to balance the roster a bit, even in a rebuild.  Right now flawed as he is, RR is the best veteran presence we have on the team as well.  Someone needs to steer the rookies / younger players in the right direction.  Hopefully our new head coach can do that, but they need at least a few veterans as well.

Isn't that the only question mark in building around him?

Well from the comments I have read from Avery, Sully and Green they all have had good things to say about RR and his helping them adjust to the NBA and become better players.  I think for those players he has already helped, so I don't know why it would change.

I think the only 'bad team-mate' report we ever heard was the yapping that Ray did after his move to Miami.  But Ray wasn't a young and developing player.

True. I agree with you and think it's unfair that he gets so much stick for being 'difficult'. I thought it was telling that JG mentioned Rondo first when talking about the guys that were there for him most after he had his surgery.

I think that no matter what problems he may or may not have caused in the past, he strikes me as the sort of guy who could really flourish given more responsibility as a leader. I'd certainly rebuild around him, I just guess it's down to how he fits within Danny's strategy.