My thoughts on Ainge's next move

[rondoallaturca]

I'd be tempted by getting my hands on J. J. Redick (full MLE or sign-and-trade should do it no?) somehow and I'd entertain the thought of acquiring Josh Smith.

Then it's a matter of cleaning up our surplus and solidifying our center position with someone cheap, and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of bringing back Chris Wilcox for another year, though his injury proneness is a big concern. But I'm not too worried about another option at this juncture.

Rondo
Redick - Bradley - Lee (may be moved)
Green - Wallace
Smith - Sully
Wilcox? - Olynyk

I'm kinda intrigued by a roster with something akin to the above make-up.

This is might point exactly. Only a few additions and we already have an incredibly competitive team. Of course, I'm a Smith hater, and I think that team is no more than a second round exit. But what happens when DA swings for the fences and is able to bring in a guy like Aldridge or Love? We have a whole horde of assets, and that can net us something really special. 

People are seriously willing to give something like this all up for all the risks tied with tanking?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

what danny needs to do is just develop the assets that we DO have into something of value and trade that asset for a disgruntled superstar who wants out of town...say Kevin Love wants out in a year..

just tanking and hoping you land the next Duncan isnt the best route necessarily to go. Danny knows that considering how we missed out on the Durant AND duncan sweepstakes.

not to mention how many times you see teams who bottom out, FIND their superstar but then their star leaves just a few years later because the team around them is sooo bad due to the fact that they were horrible for so long to get that superstar

Exactly. Right now its about raising the stock of our assets. Sullinger has showed some promise and whem he gets healthy and gets PT he could be a productive big.

2Nd is for Danny to mive Bass and Lee, even if its not for even value. A bunch of second round picks, an expiring you name it. They could still be a viable bench option for any team.

With us rich in picks, some cap room and young talent looking like they can contribute, indeed we can flip that to get...

A.) A top 5 pick in next years draft (will be hard but plausible)
B.) An established star. (I want LaMarcus Aldridge)

We can just hope for thr lottery balls to go our way.

[hpantazo]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

[truthhurts34]

I'd be tempted by getting my hands on J. J. Redick (full MLE or sign-and-trade should do it no?) somehow and I'd entertain the thought of acquiring Josh Smith.

Then it's a matter of cleaning up our surplus and solidifying our center position with someone cheap, and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of bringing back Chris Wilcox for another year, though his injury proneness is a big concern. But I'm not too worried about another option at this juncture.

Rondo
Redick - Bradley - Lee (may be moved)
Green - Wallace
Smith - Sully
Wilcox? - Olynyk

I'm kinda intrigued by a roster with something akin to the above make-up.

That team isn't winning a championship. With rondo out for half the year we're better off served tanking for the '14 high lottery pick and figuring it out from there when we will still have a plethora of picks and options.

[gpap]

I'd be tempted by getting my hands on J. J. Redick (full MLE or sign-and-trade should do it no?) somehow and I'd entertain the thought of acquiring Josh Smith.

Then it's a matter of cleaning up our surplus and solidifying our center position with someone cheap, and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of bringing back Chris Wilcox for another year, though his injury proneness is a big concern. But I'm not too worried about another option at this juncture.

Rondo
Redick - Bradley - Lee (may be moved)
Green - Wallace
Smith - Sully
Wilcox? - Olynyk

I'm kinda intrigued by a roster with something akin to the above make-up.

That team isn't winning a championship. With rondo out for half the year we're better off served tanking for the '14 high lottery pick and figuring it out from there when we will still have a plethora of picks and options.

Disagree. I think a team of Rondo, Redick/Brooks, Green/Wallace, Smoove/Humph/Sully/Olynyk and a FA upgrade at center like Dalembert, Hickson or even Birdman could be very competitive.

Plus, I would much rather watch that team than a team with Rondo being the towel boy for half a season just so we can lose and draft the legendary Wiggins in 2014.

I just really hate the idea of tanking.

[rondoallaturca]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

Right there with you. Having the superstar in that draft is great but we cant risk giving away our established star and a starter level guy just for that CHANCE to get the Superstar.

[hpantazo]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

We don't have to throw away Rondo and Green to tank, we are going to suck with them anyway. We can then see if we land a top 2 pick. If not, then we can cash in assets for disgruntled stars. If we land a top 2 pick, Rondo and Green are still young, and Sullinger, Bradley, and Olynyk will have some experience as well and can all help show the new superstar how it's done. Otherwise we can then trade Rondo after getting the top 2 pick, when he has already shown that he's healthy again.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

We don't have to throw away Rondo and Green to tank, we are going to suck with them anyway. We can then see if we land a top 2 pick. If not, then we can cash in assets for disgruntled stars. If we land a top 2 pick, Rondo and Green are still young, and Sullinger, Bradley, and Olynyk will have some experience as well and can all help show the new superstar how it's done. Otherwise we can then trade Rondo after getting the top 2 pick, when he has already shown that he's healthy again.

Bradley wasn't playing back then, Pierce wasn't good, Terry was bad... so what does losing them actually mean and to extrapolate from that how a team without them would perform?

[rondoallaturca]

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

We don't have to throw away Rondo and Green to tank, we are going to suck with them anyway. We can then see if we land a top 2 pick. If not, then we can cash in assets for disgruntled stars. If we land a top 2 pick, Rondo and Green are still young, and Sullinger, Bradley, and Olynyk will have some experience as well and can all help show the new superstar how it's done. Otherwise we can then trade Rondo after getting the top 2 pick, when he has already shown that he's healthy again.

In my ideal situation, that exactly happens. Unfortunately, Rondo is too much of a competitor to simply wait half the season before returning. Keep in mind he wanted to be ready by opening day, and all reports say he's right on track with his rehab. Hopefully he's persuaded to take it slow, but he doesn't strike me as someone who will pull a Rose.

[BballTim]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

  Do you have a link to your info on Rondo being out half the year?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

  Do you have a link to your info on Rondo being out half the year?

I really have no clue who's propagating this missing half the year stuff... he'll be ready for the beginning of the season or close to it. Whether he plays or not is another story.

[gpap]

I think the memory of the KG and Ray trades is so vivid to some people that they have forgotten that those moves were plan B. AInge went in that directio AFTER we lost the lottery and missed out on Oden/Durant.

If we land the 1st or second pick next year, would you trade what is likely the next Durant/Lebron type of superstar?

I think he will take the same route this time and if we land a top 2 pick in 2014 we will keep it. That team when we traded for KG and Ray was not that different than now.

Sullinger=Jefferson, Pierce=Rondo, Brooks=Gerald Green.

Very similar situation, except Rondo is a bit younger and has already been to the top of the mountain once.

That's IF we land a high lottery pick. IF. And again, even if we get an absolutely riveting talent in 2014, how long will it take before he develops into someone who can carry the team? What if he busts? Will we be able to surround him with enough talent, or will he bolt to another team? There's a lot of risk behind tanking. There's significantly less risk in retooling. Neither is proven to get you a better result. When you already have a roster that includes Rondo and Green for a combined $20M, there's absolutely no sense behind throwing it all away to tank.

This team was barely an 8th seed last year before Rondo went down,  with Pierce, KG, and Terry, and a healthy Rondo. We now lost Pierce, KG, and Terry, and Rondo will be out the first half of the season and will take the at least the rest of the season to fully recover.

  Do you have a link to your info on Rondo being out half the year?

I really have no clue who's propagating this missing half the year stuff... he'll be ready for the beginning of the season or close to it. Whether he plays or not is another story.

Lol, seriously. If I read one more unsubstantiated claim about Rondo being out for half a season, I am going to yell out KG's "rooooooooaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr"

[thirstyboots18]

You've been Rosed.

[LooseCannon]

I really have no clue who's propagating this missing half the year stuff... he'll be ready for the beginning of the season or close to it. Whether he plays or not is another story.

People are making a common sense assumption that Rondo's type of injury means he will miss a year.  Common sense is sometimes wrong.