Danny might have stolen 2 or 3 lottery picks

[Donoghus]

I just hate the uncertainty of these picks and none are guaranteed to be in the lottery.  Really has the possiblity to be boom or bust.  If its bust, this team is looking at a decade of futility which scares the heck out of me.

Well, I would be shocked if the goal is to use all, or even most of them.

They are assets, which Danny likely hopes to swap for quality players.

True.  I'm just having trouble seeing the big picture of things right now.   Lot of what-ifs & maybes & hoping.

[Fred Roberts]

I'm totally on board. Living near Barclays, I'll get to see these guys compete next year. Celt's get to develop young dudes and hit the lotto as they retool/rebuild.

Mark Spears LOVES the trade based on this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--2013-nba-draft-winners-and-losers--celtics-trade-kevin-garnett--paul-pierce-071740298.html

Basically, the Nets will have a year . .. maybe 2 years of being a contender. Then then may fall off a cliff bc PP and KG will retire or be ineffective by then. Deron & Johnson have already peaked as well and may be holding the team hostage with their deals by then.

I agree that a lot of these picks will be valuable. It's a long term, good gamble by Ainge. Two 1st rounders each of the next 4 seasons in insane. I would agree at least 2 or 3 will be lotto picks. 

[Chris]

I just hate the uncertainty of these picks and none are guaranteed to be in the lottery.  Really has the possiblity to be boom or bust.  If its bust, this team is looking at a decade of futility which scares the heck out of me.

Well, I would be shocked if the goal is to use all, or even most of them.

They are assets, which Danny likely hopes to swap for quality players.

True.  I'm just having trouble seeing the big picture of things right now.   Lot of what-ifs & maybes & hoping.

Yeah, thats understandable.  I think it is going to be hard to really wrap our heads around the direction of the team in general for at least another few weeks...and probably even longer than that.

[celtics2]

I tip my hat to DA and Celtic Management for their vision for the future and actions to back them up. Dealing PP and KG was a must. Ainge said the Celtics should have traded Bird also but doubt he'd pull that off for fear of being lynched. Now if they have the presence of mind to draft and deal I feel more confident we'll be back in the thick of things sooner rather than later.

I am not attached to KG as I am the Truth. PP has been magnificent. He was given gifts from the Creator and not wasted. Because of his durability I personally think he was more valuable to the Organization than Bird. Pierce needs a special place in the Rafters.

[BCFootball45]

I will miss PP and KG like no others - but we all knew this was coming and because of that, this wasn't an emotional blow like the Perk trade.

In fact, setting the sadness aside, I'm downright ecstatic about the possibilities moving forward. Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps and I believe at least two of the three draft picks will be lottery picks -- and possibly all three of them. Here's why:

- No guarantee the Jason Kidd experiment will work; and it could be a disaster

- One or two injuries and the Nets as currently constituted are a marginal 2014 lottery team - same goes for the Hawks

- JWill is declining, fast

-Nets have no assets left to trade, will be very hard to put together a contender anytime soon after PP and KG are gone (or injured)

-Only upside is the owner is willing to spend and pay lux tax, but free agency is no guaranteed way to put together a winning team.

I don't even want to address the emotional side of this. Losing Perk was tough but Perk is no KG or PP.

There is hardly a chance that any of those picks are lottery picks my friend. Wishful thinking.

1. I agree w/ you that the Kidd experiment may not work, but that won't stop this talented of a roster from making the playoffs. Ex. I don't think Vinny Del Negro is that great of a coach, but the Clippers had their best season in franchise history because of CP3.

2. No way, there is just too much talent on the roster. If the C's could make the playoffs despite all these injuries this past season, you truly believe that the Nets couldn't make it as well? The East sucks save for these top teams (Heat, Pacers, Chicago, Knicks & now Nets). Who will suddenly jump ahead of the Nets to make them a lottery team in the next year? The Bucks, the 76ers, the Celtics or better yet the Bobcats? LOL

3. D-Will ( I presume is what you meant), I agree somewhat w/ that statement in that he didn't have a good season. But, I'll just say that he played quite a bit of bball on bad ankles (the summer Olympics & then straight into the season w/ no rest = a very long season on bad ankles). He's 29 & those ankles will be a lot better next season. I expect to see a much better D-Will, especially w/ such a talented starting 5 around him.

4. Let's say Paul Pierce & KG play only 2 years w/ the Nets. I think people are under this illusion that the Nets are going to be hamstrung for years to come. The fact is that in that 3rd year, Brook Lopez & Joe Johnson will be coming off the books (2015-2016 season is the last year of their contracts). Only D-Will is on the books for the following season so they will have lots of cap space & Brook Lopez is definitely an asset that can be moved prior to that or kept. In terms of length of contract, the Celtics are taking the longest contract in Gerald Wallace, his contract comes off the books in 2015-2016 (around $10 mil). The Nets actually shed salary quicker, especially if KG or PP decide to retire after the next season which might be a slim possibility. Financially it's a better deal for the Nets.

5. There are a variety of ways you can build a winning team. Through the draft ala Spurs (TD, Parker & Ginobili), through trades ala the Celtics (KG & Ray) or through free agency like the Heat (Lebron & Bosh). I think it's a positive that Brooklyn has an owner that's willing to spend a LOT of $$$ to have a winner.

Essentially the C's took the longest contract back on a bum that the Nets have wanted to get rid of for a long time. Wallace on paper will be on our roster longer than Rondo. Our hope is that we get lucky in the draft or Danny is able to use those draft pick assets in a larger trade in the future. I personally hope it's the latter because I highly doubt any of those picks, maybe 1 at the most is a lottery pick.

[LarBrd33]

Lol.  I love that the Nets won 49 games this year with Humphries and Wallace... they get (what I believe to be) our two best players and people think they might actually miss the playoffs?  Hilarious.

[celticsclay]

I will miss PP and KG like no others - but we all knew this was coming and because of that, this wasn't an emotional blow like the Perk trade.

In fact, setting the sadness aside, I'm downright ecstatic about the possibilities moving forward. Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps and I believe at least two of the three draft picks will be lottery picks -- and possibly all three of them. Here's why:

- No guarantee the Jason Kidd experiment will work; and it could be a disaster

- One or two injuries and the Nets as currently constituted are a marginal 2014 lottery team - same goes for the Hawks

- JWill is declining, fast

-Nets have no assets left to trade, will be very hard to put together a contender anytime soon after PP and KG are gone (or injured)

-Only upside is the owner is willing to spend and pay lux tax, but free agency is no guaranteed way to put together a winning team.

I don't even want to address the emotional side of this. Losing Perk was tough but Perk is no KG or PP.

There is hardly a chance that any of those picks are lottery picks my friend. Wishful thinking.

1. I agree w/ you that the Kidd experiment may not work, but that won't stop this talented of a roster from making the playoffs. Ex. I don't think Vinny Del Negro is that great of a coach, but the Clippers had their best season in franchise history because of CP3.

2. No way, there is just too much talent on the roster. If the C's could make the playoffs despite all these injuries this past season, you truly believe that the Nets couldn't make it as well? The East sucks save for these top teams (Heat, Pacers, Chicago, Knicks & now Nets). Who will suddenly jump ahead of the Nets to make them a lottery team in the next year? The Bucks, the 76ers, the Celtics or better yet the Bobcats? LOL

3. D-Will ( I presume is what you meant), I agree somewhat w/ that statement in that he didn't have a good season. But, I'll just say that he played quite a bit of bball on bad ankles (the summer Olympics & then straight into the season w/ no rest = a very long season on bad ankles). He's 29 & those ankles will be a lot better next season. I expect to see a much better D-Will, especially w/ such a talented starting 5 around him.

4. Let's say Paul Pierce & KG play only 2 years w/ the Nets. I think people are under this illusion that the Nets are going to be hamstrung for years to come. The fact is that in that 3rd year, Brook Lopez & Joe Johnson will be coming off the books (2015-2016 season is the last year of their contracts). Only D-Will is on the books for the following season so they will have lots of cap space & Brook Lopez is definitely an asset that can be moved prior to that or kept. In terms of length of contract, the Celtics are taking the longest contract in Gerald Wallace, his contract comes off the books in 2015-2016 (around $10 mil). The Nets actually shed salary quicker, especially if KG or PP decide to retire after the next season which might be a slim possibility. Financially it's a better deal for the Nets.

5. There are a variety of ways you can build a winning team. Through the draft ala Spurs (TD, Parker & Ginobili), through trades ala the Celtics (KG & Ray) or through free agency like the Heat (Lebron & Bosh). I think it's a positive that Brooklyn has an owner that's willing to spend a LOT of $$$ to have a winner.

Essentially the C's took the longest contract back on a bum that the Nets have wanted to get rid of for a long time. Wallace on paper will be on our roster longer than Rondo. Our hope is that we get lucky in the draft or Danny is able to use those draft pick assets in a larger trade in the future. I personally hope it's the latter because I highly doubt any of those picks, maybe 1 at the most is a lottery pick.

we had a really good discussion on a lot of these points on the other thread (the problem with the nets picks). Long story short, the only real certainty for the next few years is that the nets have an owner willing to spend tons of money. Teams that spend tons of money do not usually end up in the lottery, and when they do, more often than not it is lower end of the lottery. See Lakers, Dallas and Knicks last 10 years (or the other thread for detailed look)

[popcontest]

I will miss PP and KG like no others - but we all knew this was coming and because of that, this wasn't an emotional blow like the Perk trade.

In fact, setting the sadness aside, I'm downright ecstatic about the possibilities moving forward. Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps and I believe at least two of the three draft picks will be lottery picks -- and possibly all three of them. Here's why:

- No guarantee the Jason Kidd experiment will work; and it could be a disaster

- One or two injuries and the Nets as currently constituted are a marginal 2014 lottery team - same goes for the Hawks

- DWill is declining, fast

-Nets have no assets left to trade, will be very hard to put together a contender anytime soon after PP and KG are gone (or injured)

-Only upside is the owner is willing to spend and pay lux tax, but free agency is no guaranteed way to put together a winning team.

I wrote this back in June soon after the trade -- and I know it is weird to resurrect a thread that is five months old, but I'm feeling pretty good about my prediction.

[PhoSita]

We won't be getting a lottery pick this season because the Hawks are a decent team.

As for the future, I too am glad to see that the Nets appear to be headed for a quick decline.


However, teams that know well ahead of time that they do not have a first round pick in a given year tend to find a way to set themselves up to be as competitive as possible in that season. 

Plus, the Nets will still have Deron and Lopez for the foreseeable future and they should continue to be valuable players.  The Nets just need to surround them with pieces that complement them and they'll at least get to .500 each season.

[get_banners]

2014 isn't the big part of the nets trade. even though they are struggling, i think the odds of the nets not making the playoffs is pretty slim. 2016 and 2018 are really where the deal could be awesome for us. as many have mentioned, the nets have limited financial flexibility and no draft picks for a few years. there is a decent chance they will be bad in one of those years (actually, we also get to swap picks in 2017, so all three years). i do agree, though, that the chances of us getting an extra lottery pick THIS YEAR are extremely slim. i also agree that we won't keep all these picks. they are nice chips for danny to use in a trade.

[timobusa]

We won't be getting a lottery pick this season because the Hawks are a decent team.

As for the future, I too am glad to see that the Nets appear to be headed for a quick decline.


However, teams that know well ahead of time that they do not have a first round pick in a given year tend to find a way to set themselves up to be as competitive as possible in that season. 

Plus, the Nets will still have Deron and Lopez for the foreseeable future and they should continue to be valuable players.  The Nets just need to surround them with pieces that complement them and they'll at least get to .500 each season.

We still got our own 1st round pick, and our team is not looking good so far.

So even if Atlanta takes the Nets pick(given that the Nets bomb this year) and we get the Atlanta pick, we still have our own 1st round pick regardless.

So there is still a chance that we got a lottery pick.

[tenn_smoothie]

Just trying to kill the trade before they even see how it pans out . A lot of the same people who were saying we threw away a title in 2011 by trading Perk for Green. How did that work out ?

NEWS FLASH: How it worked out was that we, in fact, did NOT win the title in 2011. it will always be a lost title, along with '58, '73, '82, '87+ and '10.

Jeff Green will never lead us to anything - he's a nice player (sometimes), but he lacks the competitive intangible needed to win championships. The Celtics were simply never the same team after that trade.

[clover]

I will miss PP and KG like no others - but we all knew this was coming and because of that, this wasn't an emotional blow like the Perk trade.

In fact, setting the sadness aside, I'm downright ecstatic about the possibilities moving forward. Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps and I believe at least two of the three draft picks will be lottery picks -- and possibly all three of them. Here's why:

- No guarantee the Jason Kidd experiment will work; and it could be a disaster

- One or two injuries and the Nets as currently constituted are a marginal 2014 lottery team - same goes for the Hawks

- JWill is declining, fast

-Nets have no assets left to trade, will be very hard to put together a contender anytime soon after PP and KG are gone (or injured)

-Only upside is the owner is willing to spend and pay lux tax, but free agency is no guaranteed way to put together a winning team.

I don't even want to address the emotional side of this. Losing Perk was tough but Perk is no KG or PP.

There is hardly a chance that any of those picks are lottery picks my friend. Wishful thinking.

1. I agree w/ you that the Kidd experiment may not work, but that won't stop this talented of a roster from making the playoffs. Ex. I don't think Vinny Del Negro is that great of a coach, but the Clippers had their best season in franchise history because of CP3.

2. No way, there is just too much talent on the roster. If the C's could make the playoffs despite all these injuries this past season, you truly believe that the Nets couldn't make it as well? The East sucks save for these top teams (Heat, Pacers, Chicago, Knicks & now Nets). Who will suddenly jump ahead of the Nets to make them a lottery team in the next year? The Bucks, the 76ers, the Celtics or better yet the Bobcats? LOL

3. D-Will ( I presume is what you meant), I agree somewhat w/ that statement in that he didn't have a good season. But, I'll just say that he played quite a bit of bball on bad ankles (the summer Olympics & then straight into the season w/ no rest = a very long season on bad ankles). He's 29 & those ankles will be a lot better next season. I expect to see a much better D-Will, especially w/ such a talented starting 5 around him.

4. Let's say Paul Pierce & KG play only 2 years w/ the Nets. I think people are under this illusion that the Nets are going to be hamstrung for years to come. The fact is that in that 3rd year, Brook Lopez & Joe Johnson will be coming off the books (2015-2016 season is the last year of their contracts). Only D-Will is on the books for the following season so they will have lots of cap space & Brook Lopez is definitely an asset that can be moved prior to that or kept. In terms of length of contract, the Celtics are taking the longest contract in Gerald Wallace, his contract comes off the books in 2015-2016 (around $10 mil). The Nets actually shed salary quicker, especially if KG or PP decide to retire after the next season which might be a slim possibility. Financially it's a better deal for the Nets.

5. There are a variety of ways you can build a winning team. Through the draft ala Spurs (TD, Parker & Ginobili), through trades ala the Celtics (KG & Ray) or through free agency like the Heat (Lebron & Bosh). I think it's a positive that Brooklyn has an owner that's willing to spend a LOT of $$$ to have a winner.

Essentially the C's took the longest contract back on a bum that the Nets have wanted to get rid of for a long time. Wallace on paper will be on our roster longer than Rondo. Our hope is that we get lucky in the draft or Danny is able to use those draft pick assets in a larger trade in the future. I personally hope it's the latter because I highly doubt any of those picks, maybe 1 at the most is a lottery pick.

At this point I'd almost guarantee that KG retires after this year--and I think Pierce is a real possibility too.

[pearljammer10]

Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps

Okay, seriously, that is beyond hyperbolic.

What is with people on these forums being so excited about this trade? I can understand if you think the trade is a good long-term move, and you can certainly make this argument, but I don't understand the people who are coming out and claiming this is some brilliant heist by Danny. It isn't. There is a possibility that this trade, when combined with future moves, will help our rebuild, but there is an equally strong possibility that it does NOTHING to help us.

It is still WAY to early to say something as ridiculous as "greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps."

When will you people learn? How many years must there be supposedly strong drafts with "can't miss" prospects like Wiggins that don't pan out? You DO realize the odds are stacked extremely against the Celtics, right?

What Danny did is a high risk/high reward scenario. It might pay off, it might be a disaster. Way too early to tell. Anyone who thinks that this was a SAFE and can't-miss trade doesn't understand how the NBA works, plain and simple.

I think you may have missed the keywords "might have" in this one sarcastic sentence.

[CoachBo]

Danny might have engineered his greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps

Okay, seriously, that is beyond hyperbolic.

What is with people on these forums being so excited about this trade? I can understand if you think the trade is a good long-term move, and you can certainly make this argument, but I don't understand the people who are coming out and claiming this is some brilliant heist by Danny. It isn't. There is a possibility that this trade, when combined with future moves, will help our rebuild, but there is an equally strong possibility that it does NOTHING to help us.

It is still WAY to early to say something as ridiculous as "greatest heist since the 2007 Ray/KG swaps."

When will you people learn? How many years must there be supposedly strong drafts with "can't miss" prospects like Wiggins that don't pan out? You DO realize the odds are stacked extremely against the Celtics, right?

What Danny did is a high risk/high reward scenario. It might pay off, it might be a disaster. Way too early to tell. Anyone who thinks that this was a SAFE and can't-miss trade doesn't understand how the NBA works, plain and simple.

TP for one of the more astute posts I've read here in quite awhile.

You are quite correct about the uncertainty of this trade. It's fairly apparent that KG and the Captain are at the end of the line, so Ainge had little alternative but to roll the dice with this deal.

As for the hyperbole, that's basically this blog. If it isn't Rondo, it's Ainge.