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why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« on: June 27, 2013, 09:01:48 PM »

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Noel and a top five protected pick next year for Holiday and 42. You would have to think they would have done Rondo instead and it is clear Boston is now rebuilding. Seems like a very good rebuilding trade.
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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 09:13:32 PM »

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Because Holiday has more trade value than Rondo.  Holiday + a 2014 1st rounder has WAAAY more trade value than Rondo.  Easy decision for the 'Cans.

Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 09:28:16 PM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 09:47:19 PM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.


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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 09:50:43 PM »

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Because the contracts wouldn't match.  Holiday is still on his 2012-2013 rookie-scale contract for the purpose of this trade.  NO can match that salary in a trade.  They would have a harder time in a trade for Rondo.
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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 09:52:21 PM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

  I think Philly got the future pick, they aren't giving it up.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 09:54:43 PM »

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Glad we didn't.  Noel has bust written all over him.

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 09:56:31 PM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

  I think Philly got the future pick, they aren't giving it up.

That makes more sense than was originally reported.

Under those circumstances -- Noel and a #1 for Rondo -- maybe we should have done it.  Danny is tearing the franchise down; may as well tear it down all the way.


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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 09:59:56 PM »

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Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

You're misinformed. They're the ones getting a lottery pick. Not just that, but I don't see how that changes what I said. Noel was supposedly a unanimous #1 or #2 pick projected by "draft experts". NBA executives didn't draft him until #5.

Noel's ceiling is a crappier version of Ben Wallace. DPOY potential for sure, but definitely not worth a first or second overall pick. To address your comment, the Sixers definitely did this trade to gear up for the 2014 draft.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 10:01:19 PM »

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Because Holiday has more trade value than Rondo.  Holiday + a 2014 1st rounder has WAAAY more trade value than Rondo.  Easy decision for the 'Cans.

  He might have more trade value but unless he improves a lot he clearly doesn't have the basketball value. The odds of him ever carrying a team to a conference final like Rondo did last year aren't that high, the odds of him leading a team to a series win against the best team in the league with the best player in the league like Rondo did in 2010 are probably worse.

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 06:10:45 AM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

  I think Philly got the future pick, they aren't giving it up.

That makes more sense than was originally reported.

Under those circumstances -- Noel and a #1 for Rondo -- maybe we should have done it.  Danny is tearing the franchise down; may as well tear it down all the way.
My post was pretty clear Noel and a top 5 protected 2014 1st for Holiday and 42.  Given it appears pretty clear Boston is rebuilding, this would have seemed like a perfect trade to make.  You get a very talented, though injured rookie center, and what will probably be a pick in the 6-10 range in next years very deep draft.  Boston will then be horrible and likely will get a top 5 pick from their own pick and then would own Brooklyn's pick next year as well.  That seems like a pretty darn good trade to make and probably means you don't make the silly trade to move up to take Olynyck and thus still have the two 2014 second rounders.

And for those talking about dollars, New Orleans is way under the cap and could absorb the difference in salaries.  I just don't get why Boston wasn't making calls and offering up Rondo for a pick capable of drafting Noel and a future pick. 

Not a fan of Ainge's draft at all.  Miss out on Noel and an extra first next year, trade up in a weak draft to a team that didn't want a pick in this draft at all, etc.   
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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 06:20:30 AM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

  I think Philly got the future pick, they aren't giving it up.

That makes more sense than was originally reported.

Under those circumstances -- Noel and a #1 for Rondo -- maybe we should have done it.  Danny is tearing the franchise down; may as well tear it down all the way.
My post was pretty clear Noel and a top 5 protected 2014 1st for Holiday and 42.  Given it appears pretty clear Boston is rebuilding, this would have seemed like a perfect trade to make.  You get a very talented, though injured rookie center, and what will probably be a pick in the 6-10 range in next years very deep draft.  Boston will then be horrible and likely will get a top 5 pick from their own pick and then would own Brooklyn's pick next year as well.  That seems like a pretty darn good trade to make and probably means you don't make the silly trade to move up to take Olynyck and thus still have the two 2014 second rounders.

And for those talking about dollars, New Orleans is way under the cap and could absorb the difference in salaries.  I just don't get why Boston wasn't making calls and offering up Rondo for a pick capable of drafting Noel and a future pick. 

Not a fan of Ainge's draft at all.  Miss out on Noel and an extra first next year, trade up in a weak draft to a team that didn't want a pick in this draft at all, etc.

They wanted Eric Gordon more than Rondo for CP3.

Add to that Rondo's injured.

Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 06:41:43 AM »

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Because Noel is overrated. There's a reason he didn't get picked until #5 in a pretty weak draft. NBA executives aren't stupid.

Stupid enough to give up an all-star PG in Holiday and a potential lottery pick for him.

  I think Philly got the future pick, they aren't giving it up.

That makes more sense than was originally reported.

Under those circumstances -- Noel and a #1 for Rondo -- maybe we should have done it.  Danny is tearing the franchise down; may as well tear it down all the way.
My post was pretty clear Noel and a top 5 protected 2014 1st for Holiday and 42.  Given it appears pretty clear Boston is rebuilding, this would have seemed like a perfect trade to make.  You get a very talented, though injured rookie center, and what will probably be a pick in the 6-10 range in next years very deep draft.  Boston will then be horrible and likely will get a top 5 pick from their own pick and then would own Brooklyn's pick next year as well.  That seems like a pretty darn good trade to make and probably means you don't make the silly trade to move up to take Olynyck and thus still have the two 2014 second rounders.

And for those talking about dollars, New Orleans is way under the cap and could absorb the difference in salaries.  I just don't get why Boston wasn't making calls and offering up Rondo for a pick capable of drafting Noel and a future pick. 

Not a fan of Ainge's draft at all.  Miss out on Noel and an extra first next year, trade up in a weak draft to a team that didn't want a pick in this draft at all, etc.

They wanted Eric Gordon more than Rondo for CP3.

Add to that Rondo's injured.
The question is Jrue Holiday or Rajon Rondo.  None of the other stuff matters.  If they really prefer Holiday over Rondo I think that pretty much says what the rest of the league thinks of Rondo, and that isn't a good thought.
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Re: why didn't Boston trade Rondo to Pelicans
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 06:44:39 AM »

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What better selling point for free agent class coming up?
Come to boston and play with THE pass first point guard.
I for one don't like the trade for philly.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 07:02:20 AM »

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Rondo's value is low right now because he is injured.  If he rebounds and has a good injury free year it would be MUCH smarter to trade him for a top 3 pick in 2014.  This year's draft is probably the crappiest in years.  I mean Bennet at freaking #1?  And it's obvious that a LOT of NBA execs didn't think that Noel was #1 material.