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How long are YOU willing to wait?
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:53:42 PM »

Offline rondoallaturca

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I'm going to come out and say right away that I think this Brooklyn trade is absolutely bad. Should this Brooklyn trade go down, we're instant afterthoughts until the 2016 AT LEAST. Sadly, I see people here who are actually content with it, and even HOPE it happens. Basically, they're looking forward for the C's to be an unwatchable team for the next couple years. I just don't understand.

Right now, we're definitely not constructed to win a title. However, we have many, many pieces that are in place who can certainly help us reach that goal. We have the #16 pick this year. The draft is "weak", but there's definitely a lot of impactful rotational players to be had especially towards the middle and late first round. We have assets. We can get more through Pierce and/or KG.

Rondo is on a very friendly contract. Green is on a reasonable contract. Lee had a down year but with his skillset, he can easily work his way so that his contract will seem like a bargain as well. We still have Bradley and Sullinger. This summer, guys like Millsap can be had. Names like Aldridge are popping up available on the trade market.

We are not in a position where we have to go through an excruciatingly long rebuild. We aren't the Bobcats.

But again, obviously there are people out there who believe this trade is the best route to take. So I'm asking you, how long are you seriously prepared to wait for a winning product to play in TD Garden again?

EDIT: Also, I'd like to point out that we aren't even pushing for Marshon Brooks in the trade. The Nets have clearly shown they don't want him and considering we're getting Wallace in return, we're not trying to milk them for all the assets they have?
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Re: How long are YOU willing to wait?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 06:58:19 PM »

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I'll be a celtics fan through thick and thin

I will have no issues unless Ainge starts making poor decisions

I wasn't born yet when we had larry bird and whatnot. I've been growing up watching Pierce/Walker; then a few crappy years where I still watched every game hoping something would happen; getting excited for gerald green; arguing over marcus banks and delonte west; drafting rondo; watching big al become a double/double guy; trading back for walker at some point [that was kind of ridiculous]; seeing paul go down for the season; watching tony allen explode; seeing tony allen go out for the season soon after


This offseason and the future will show who the real celtic fans are and who were just bandwagoning the big 3

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 06:59:29 PM »

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What I am so worried about is if we don't get any other prospects.

I don't want to watch Humphries or Wallace - I wanna see some young talent and be able to root for them to become better.

I can stomach bad years, as long as they're productive and decent to watch.
I like Marcus Smart

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 07:00:59 PM »

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Excatly how I feel. Those 3 picks probably gives us J.R Giddens, Lester Hudson & JaJuan Johnson-like talent... Wow, talk about assets.

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 07:01:01 PM »

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I can be patient as long as I see a plan in place.


I think DA will try what he did the last time.  It isn't about putting together a young team that can grow together.  It will be about building assets to make a big splash down the line.  Together with managing the salary cap, you just never know when that big impact free agent could be in place.

Green and Sully and Avery are still young.  They can withstand this period.  Rondo, I am not so sure about.

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 07:10:06 PM »

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One thing that's also ridiculous about this Brooklyn trade is the fact that WE'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR MARSHON BROOKS! The fact that we haven't even ASKED is worrying. The Nets clearly have no use for him with all their veteran stars on the roster now, and it couldn't hurt to at least try nabbing someone who's still young and at the very least can be a future trade asset.

Between the rumors of having a S&T for Josh Smith in place and this, Ainge's rebuilding strategy is really not blowing me away.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 07:11:00 PM »

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Re: How long are YOU willing to wait?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 07:12:40 PM »

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Will never leave the celtics. Waited 22 years last time. I just have no desire watching the guys the nets are sending over. They are bums. Love sully, rondo and TRUE Cs. I will cheer against the guys that come over from the nets

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 07:12:55 PM »

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I'm a fan to the end, but that team would be hard for me to watch, I don't mind losing as long as I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

If that was the only move we made, I do not see any light, with that plan we would suck for 6-10 years easily. Forget about 3 years, there is no Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing way we would be better in 3 years.

Like someone said (and I have on other threads) those picks are almost useless unless you can get some other sucker to trade good players to us for them.

I have to assume this would be move #1 out of 2-4 this summer, or Danny will be gone.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 07:19:54 PM »

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I'm going to come out and say right away that I think this Brooklyn trade is absolutely bad. Should this Brooklyn trade go down, we're instant afterthoughts until the 2016 AT LEAST. Sadly, I see people here who are actually content with it, and even HOPE it happens. Basically, they're looking forward for the C's to be an unwatchable team for the next couple years. I just don't understand.

Right now, we're definitely not constructed to win a title. However, we have many, many pieces that are in place who can certainly help us reach that goal. We have the #16 pick this year. The draft is "weak", but there's definitely a lot of impactful rotational players to be had especially towards the middle and late first round. We have assets. We can get more through Pierce and/or KG.

Rondo is on a very friendly contract. Green is on a reasonable contract. Lee had a down year but with his skillset, he can easily work his way so that his contract will seem like a bargain as well. We still have Bradley and Sullinger. This summer, guys like Millsap can be had. Names like Aldridge are popping up available on the trade market.

We are not in a position where we have to go through an excruciatingly long rebuild. We aren't the Bobcats.

But again, obviously there are people out there who believe this trade is the best route to take. So I'm asking you, how long are you seriously prepared to wait for a winning product to play in TD Garden again?

EDIT: Also, I'd like to point out that we aren't even pushing for Marshon Brooks in the trade. The Nets have clearly shown they don't want him and considering we're getting Wallace in return, we're not trying to milk them for all the assets they have?
Lol...  yeah... that's been the plan for a while.  To bottom out and build.  That's how this works.  Trading for guys in their mid 30s was always a temporary thing.  Our window was only supposed to last 3 years.  You don't just trade guys in their late 30s for superstars... you absolutely need to bottom out, collect draft picks and assets and build for the future.  I'm finding this hilarious that this is a revelation for some people.  Welcome to the present.  Where ya been?

Last time around, Ainge was hired to take over a down-in-the-dumps irrelevant franchise that hadn't been a contender for close to 20 years.  He turned us into a contender 4 years later.   This process will take 3-5 years at least... but it's a necessary process.  Strap in.  This isn't a sudden thing... this has been an inevitability basically since 2007.  It's about time.  I'm happy we are finally doing it.  I can't take another 41 win season just to satisfy ticket sales and bandwagon fans.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 07:29:23 PM »

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Lol...  yeah... that's been the plan for a while.  To bottom out and build.  That's how this works.  Trading for guys in their mid 30s was always a temporary thing.  Our window was only supposed to last 3 years.  You don't just trade guys in their late 30s for superstars... you absolutely need to bottom out, collect draft picks and assets and build for the future.  I'm finding this hilarious that this is a revelation for some people.  Welcome to the present.  Where ya been?

Here's my issue. If we make this Brooklyn trade, as it stands we're stuck with 3 years of Gerald Wallace. That means for the 13-14, 14-15, and 15-16 campaigns, we're going no where since we're locking up $10M each year on a guy who is past his time.

Meanwhile, let's take a look at what we have RIGHT NOW. We already have assets. We can get more through Pierce/KG without having to take back Gerald Wallace. Rondo is in his prime and on a GREAT contract. Green is entering his prime on a good contract. Sullinger, Bradley, and Lee are all young players as well, with Sullinger and Bradley still on rookie scale contracts while Lee can easily work his way to making his own contract reasonable. None of these guys can carry a franchise on their back, but it's a VERY, VERY solid core and something we could build a winning product around as soon as next year.

GOOD, smart teams don't bottom out for years. Look at the Lakers. Look at the Spurs. Hell, even take a look at what the Thunder did the past few years. They retooled on the fly. They traded away Harden (which can be seen as a huge mistake) and yet they still remained competitive while gathering even more assets (Lamb, future 1st rounders).

So with all due respect, maybe you need to go through a revelation and have a welcome to the present. Bottoming out for YEARS does not have to be an option, and for good, smart teams, it isn't.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 07:33:06 PM »

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Here's my issue. If we make this Brooklyn trade, as it stands we're stuck with 3 years of Gerald Wallace. That means for the 13-14, 14-15, and 15-16 campaigns, we're going no where since we're locking up $10M each year on a guy who is past his time.

Meanwhile, let's take a look at what we have RIGHT NOW. We already have assets. We can get more through Pierce/KG without having to take back Gerald Wallace. Rondo is in his prime and on a GREAT contract. Green is entering his prime on a good contract. Sullinger, Bradley, and Lee are all young players as well, with Sullinger and Bradley still on rookie scale contracts while Lee can easily work his way to making his own contract reasonable. None of these guys can carry a franchise on their back, but it's a VERY, VERY solid core and something we could build a winning product around as soon as next year.

GOOD, smart teams don't bottom out for years. Look at the Lakers. Look at the Spurs. Hell, even take a look at what the Thunder did the past few years. They retooled on the fly. They traded away Harden (which can be seen as a huge mistake) and yet they still remained competitive while gathering even more assets (Lamb, future 1st rounders).

So with all due respect, maybe you need to go through a revelation and have a welcome to the present. Bottoming out for YEARS does not have to be an option, and for good, smart teams, it isn't.

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 07:33:23 PM »

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Lol...  yeah... that's been the plan for a while.  To bottom out and build.  That's how this works.  Trading for guys in their mid 30s was always a temporary thing.  Our window was only supposed to last 3 years.  You don't just trade guys in their late 30s for superstars... you absolutely need to bottom out, collect draft picks and assets and build for the future.  I'm finding this hilarious that this is a revelation for some people.  Welcome to the present.  Where ya been?

Here's my issue. If we make this Brooklyn trade, as it stands we're stuck with 3 years of Gerald Wallace. That means for the 13-14, 14-15, and 15-16 campaigns, we're going no where since we're locking up $10M each year on a guy who is past his time.

Yes dude... that's the idea.  You tank for a few years and get some building blocks.   It's an effective process if you have a capable GM.   Expect at the very least a few years of lotto hell, but we'll bring in some young studs who we'll either build around or trade for veteran stars.  It's a process... 3-5 years of being in the lotto.  No quick fixes for our situation.  It's a superstar's league... no sense in just slapping Rondo and Josh Smith together on a 45 win team and prolonging irrelevance.  Bottoming out for a few years gives you a shot at real hope.  Sure, we might be lotto-bound for a decade, but Ainge is very capable and knows what he's doing.  So if you can't handle following a bad Celtic team, take a break for a few years and hop back on the bandwagon with everyone else when we matter again.  I'm a fan regardless if our best player is Gerald Green or Kevin Garnett.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 07:35:41 PM »

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GOOD, smart teams don't bottom out for years. Look at the Lakers. Look at the Spurs. Hell, even take a look at what the Thunder did the past few years. They retooled on the fly. They traded away Harden (which can be seen as a huge mistake) and yet they still remained competitive while gathering even more assets (Lamb, future 1st rounders).

The Spurs are who they are because they have Tim Duncan, who they got by tanking.  The Thunder built their core by being completely miserable for 3-4 seasons.  Here's hoping we follow OKC's game plan.  Suck for a few years, build assets, then start a dynasty that can last the better part of a decade.

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 07:36:26 PM »

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Shouldn't have to wait. They don't wait in San Antonio. And they haven't waited in LA until Jim Buss made a mess of the DH12 situation.

The fact we're out of relevancy for at least five years is an indictment of Ainge and Wyc. You end up waiting when your team's management screws up.
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