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Offline rasta1

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Right now we have no consistent scorers on the roster

Paul can't put up high scoring numbers every night, nor can KG. Green is inconsistant as well

Our only hope is

Rondo improving his scoring [even just free throws], Bradley developing something 10-15 foot jumper is even enough. Jeff Green development

But even then, we simply don't have enough scoring

Realistically we're going to have to get 2 of the following to have a shot

Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap

I would also like for Jordan Crawford to harbor a larger load, let him be the ridiculous 6th man, see if he can find a legit shot and stop looking so ugly on the floor [to his credit, he actually hits shots despite how bad it looks]

We're going to need Terry to refind his 3 point shot as well as Lee. Bass needs to get that jumper down and be willing to dunk the ball down low in the post {assuming these guys stay}

Then two of Millsap, Smith, and Jefferson is going to be important because those guys can drop 15 points a game

I'd personally like Smith and Big Al. Unfortunately I'm not sure  how the deals could actually get done

If that  somehow happens...albeit unlikely we have a shot at beating Miami.

Otherwise, clean house go after parker or wiggins

Rondo/Bradley/Jeff Green/Josh Smith/Big Al with Pierce and KG off the bench has a shot. I just don't know if Danny get put it together


Edit: I know a lot of people in the NBA make a deal out of efficiency now

But look at what happened in the postseason this year. Chicago, Boston, and Indiana in the east all showed a complete inability to score the ball. It wasn't Miami's D, it was that they lacked volume scorers

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This is why I'm hoping that if Shabazz Muhammad drops, we draft him.

He is listed at SF but I think he has the tools to play at the 2. He has a lot of things to learn and issues to fix but, talk about scoring, this kid's mentality and ability to score is undeniable.
He Can post up. He knows where to position his self on the floor. He does some of those Avery cuts too most of the times. And most of all, HE GETS TO THE LINE, something we seriously need.

Again, it's a process to get him comfortable in the NBA but he has the physical tools, the drive and the killer instinct to be, i'd say a 18-20 ppg scorer (maybe I', stretching it, but I believe it). Then if our number 2 scorer is Jeff Green, can consistently drop 18, Rondo assisting like before he went down, we are fine. We shore up the frontline and we are good.

There's your two scorers, Green and Shabbazz.
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Josh Smith is not a scoring threat!

And I'd rather not have Jordan Crawford gunning.

I thought the Celts were getting it together before Rondo went down and after AB came back.

I wouldn't mind one of the 3 of the bigs mentioned.

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Josh Smith is not a scoring threat!

And I'd rather not have Jordan Crawford gunning.

I thought the Celts were getting it together before Rondo went down and after AB came back.

I wouldn't mind one of the 3 of the bigs mentioned.

Josh Smith seems to always drop at least 14 in a game. I also liked Josh Smith as an option because he'd be our best rebounder, and become our best shotblocker.

The only caveat with Smith is to get him to stop shooting 3s.

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If breaking up the Rondo + Bradley backcourt, I think Nick Young would good value as an offensively orientated role player at SG. He could give the team a regular 16-18ppg.

He has the ability to move without the ball, to come off of screens and look for catch and shoot opportunities. Those same plays Ray used to get. Nick Young does them really well. A strong spot up shooter. Very good in transition. A good one-on-one scorer off the dribble too. A well rounded scorer.

Someone who would be available at a lower contract figure.

Maybe even in a sign and trade (keep that mini-MLE for someone else) for Courtney Lee who would fit in very well in Philly in between Jrue Holiday (PG) and Evan Turner (SF).

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All I know is that if we put up performances like we did in the post season where we are a risk to not even put up 70 points on the board, we're in trouble

NY is not a good defensive team, the celtics simply did not have anybody who can drop points consistently.

Green was our best scorer and would disappear for stretches at a time

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Josh Smith is not a scoring threat!

And I'd rather not have Jordan Crawford gunning.

I thought the Celts were getting it together before Rondo went down and after AB came back.

I wouldn't mind one of the 3 of the bigs mentioned.

Josh Smith seems to always drop at least 14 in a game. I also liked Josh Smith as an option because he'd be our best rebounder, and become our best shotblocker.

The only caveat with Smith is to get him to stop shooting 3s.

14 a game would not be considered a scoring threat. Especially if he's the 1st option and making max money. I think he can score more than that though, but I won't trust Josh Smith with the ball in the 4th when we need a bucket or two.
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All I know is that if we put up performances like we did in the post season where we are a risk to not even put up 70 points on the board, we're in trouble

NY is not a good defensive team, the celtics simply did not have anybody who can drop points consistently.

Green was our best scorer and would disappear for stretches at a time

  Green scored 20 a game in the playoffs. If you think he disappeared for stretches at a time it's likely the other players who scored a similar (or smaller) amount of points disappear for stretches as well.

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All I know is that if we put up performances like we did in the post season where we are a risk to not even put up 70 points on the board, we're in trouble

NY is not a good defensive team, the celtics simply did not have anybody who can drop points consistently.

Green was our best scorer and would disappear for stretches at a time
We didnt have a PG unless you think Bradley's one or T Will
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I agree pretty much with the op.  If we are going to keep RR, AB, JG, and Sully, then I believe that we really need a #1 scoring option at the 2 or 5.  Since it is way easier to find a great 2 guard, I think that is the easiest.  We need someone who isn't undersized and that can come of screens, and get their own shot as well we would be a long ways in turning it around.  Add a good def mobile good jumping, good rebounding big at center and then we have some stuff to build around.

A scorer at the 2 would allow Rondo and Green to be the 2nd / 3rd options that can occasionally take over a game, but more complimentary to the offense.

D Jordan would have been able to be a stop gap decent rebounding athletic 5 until we were able to find our center of the future.


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If breaking up the Rondo + Bradley backcourt, I think Nick Young would good value as an offensively orientated role player at SG. He could give the team a regular 16-18ppg.

He has the ability to move without the ball, to come off of screens and look for catch and shoot opportunities. Those same plays Ray used to get. Nick Young does them really well. A strong spot up shooter. Very good in transition. A good one-on-one scorer off the dribble too. A well rounded scorer.

Someone who would be available at a lower contract figure.

Maybe even in a sign and trade (keep that mini-MLE for someone else) for Courtney Lee who would fit in very well in Philly in between Jrue Holiday (PG) and Evan Turner (SF).

His BBall IQ seems pretty low though.


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If breaking up the Rondo + Bradley backcourt, I think Nick Young would good value as an offensively orientated role player at SG. He could give the team a regular 16-18ppg.

He has the ability to move without the ball, to come off of screens and look for catch and shoot opportunities. Those same plays Ray used to get. Nick Young does them really well. A strong spot up shooter. Very good in transition. A good one-on-one scorer off the dribble too. A well rounded scorer.

Someone who would be available at a lower contract figure.

Maybe even in a sign and trade (keep that mini-MLE for someone else) for Courtney Lee who would fit in very well in Philly in between Jrue Holiday (PG) and Evan Turner (SF).

I like Young's size and athleticism, but his FG% has not really impressed me.  Not a very good rebounder either.  I would just like a better shooter to pair with Rondo.

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We already have Jordan Crawford if you're looking for a Nick Young type player.
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 Unless you get Kobe who can create his shot and enter contested jump shots, you won't the scoring problem.
It's all about Doc offense. And we have seen the result of his systems during the first part of the year with Rondo. I believe the lack of scoring from Lee Terry Is the same problem.
The offense event is too predictable and PP can't be our number 1 option. It's sad to say but he's much slower now and he can't even provoke fouls like he used to in the past.
The entire system need to change and it has to start with Rondo being very aggressive. Push on transition with Bradley and green, and of half court offense always try to enter in the paint for a layup, a pass to KG or Sully or if it's too cramped pass for a 3 ball.
You can't play with low pace and expect to have a high % shots.
Watch again the 2008 finals and look how Rondo played when he was on the floor and pay attention of the pace of the game. It was a boost and a different maker during the finals.
Having Josh Smith would be great but it won't solve the problem.
Doc has to reconsider himself. If he can't, I hope we'll have another coach.

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Right now we have no consistent scorers on the roster

Paul can't put up high scoring numbers every night, nor can KG. Green is inconsistant as well

Our only hope is

Rondo improving his scoring [even just free throws], Bradley developing something 10-15 foot jumper is even enough. Jeff Green development

But even then, we simply don't have enough scoring

Realistically we're going to have to get 2 of the following to have a shot

Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap

Everybody keeps ignoring the fact that the instant Green was made a starter he became the most consistent scorer on this team.

He averaged 20+ PPG over about 25 starts across the regular season and the playoffs, and he had very few off games during that stretch.

In fact Green is a more deadly scorer than Josh Smith right now, and probably better than Millsap as well.  The only guy in that group who is as good a scorer as Green is Al Jefferson - I'd love to see the Inside/Outside combo of Green/Jefferson with Rondo running the point, but not sure of our chances.

We already have one scoring threat, we just need to add a second and we are sweet in that department.  With Milwalkee apparently showing interest in Paul Pierce, bringing back Monta Ellis (who reportedly is testing the free agent market) would serve us nicely.

A 1-2 punch of Ellis and Green could be deadly if Green continues at his current rate.  Only downside is that Ellis looks as if he might be on the decline, and he'd probably want a long term contract.