Ainge and Doc Press Conference (Postponed till Monday)

[Mencius]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

[Evantime34]

They are really not making this whole rebuilding thing easy. As fans it is a tough thing to see, but it becomes much tougher when you are hearing constant rumors of a rebuild but it doesn't actually happen.

[Drucci]

This whole situation has been beyond ridiculous for a while but we are reaching new heights... please make it stop already!

[sed522002]

@markheisler:

Celtics just cancelled press conference w/o explanation. Clipper source says they'll up offer.

[Cman]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

Uh-Uh. Not going to listen. Nope.Noway.

[rondohondo]

@markheisler:

Celtics just cancelled press conference w/o explanation. Clipper source says they'll up offer.

does that mean two 1st rd picks ?

[Snakehead]

What a mess....

Did the Clippers finally concede they had no leverage?

[Boris Badenov]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

I don't think so.

Stern could easily state it the other way: the fact that the previous deal didn't happen when Doc was not part of it, but is acceptable to both parties now with Doc involved, actually proves that Doc is a critical part of the KG deal.

Not saying I believe that, but Stern can certainly make the argument.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

This whole situation has been beyond ridiculous for a while but we are reaching new heights... please make it stop already!

I'm in Japan...It's a.m over here....I have waited for 2 Pressers that never happened...
AAAAAAAHH!!!!!


MAKE IT STOP!!! I need sleep!!!!!! Please!!!!!

[JOMVP]

@markheisler:

Celtics just cancelled press conference w/o explanation. Clipper source says they'll up offer.

does that mean two 1st rd picks ?

I dont understand. Why would upping the offer matter if this thing is just gonna get shut down by Stern because of the "illegal" nature of the deal.

Unless Stern stopped the deal because he thought the Celtics were getting screwed?! Which is impossible since he hates us.

[prov1ml34]

Why are we even contemplating continuing to deal with this circus act.

Not to mention, if you are KG and Doc (or CP3) after watching this unfold, would you even want to be part of that organization?

[Fafnir]

Why are we even contemplating continuing to deal with this circus act.

Not to mention, if you are KG and Doc (or CP3) after watching this unfold, would you even want to be part of that organization?

This was initiated by them in large part.

That's what everyone always meant about a lot of moving parts.

Doc's camp, KG's camp, Pierce's camp, the Clippers GM, Sterling, Danny, and Wyc.

All swirling around dancing. Then stern came in and started yelling about the flashlight rule between coaches and player deals.

[Jonny CC]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

I don't think so.

Stern could easily state it the other way: the fact that the previous deal didn't happen when Doc was not part of it, but is acceptable to both parties now with Doc involved, actually proves that Doc is a critical part of the KG deal.

Not saying I believe that, but Stern can certainly make the argument.

Nothing Stern does surpises me.  He is a boob.  From the Pau Gasol fleecing to the CPaul to the Lakers debacle, he is WAY too involved.

[Mencius]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

I don't think so.

Stern could easily state it the other way: the fact that the previous deal didn't happen when Doc was not part of it, but is acceptable to both parties now with Doc involved, actually proves that Doc is a critical part of the KG deal.

Not saying I believe that, but Stern can certainly make the argument.

Hard to really say whether that'd hold water or not without knowing the exact specifics of what was proposed and turned down last year.  I think you have to weigh what is *really* fair compensation to let Doc out of his contract.  To be honest, two firsts seems excessive.  One seems reasonable.  So, to me, if the package they turned down was less than or equal to KG for DJ + 1 pick, but suddenly that's acceptable with the inclusion of Doc, then Stern could plausibly say that.  But if what we were asking for was more than just DJ plus one first (like, if Bledsoe was included too, and maybe another first) and they turned it down, then Stern's argument falls apart, because then he couldn't say that it was Doc's inclusion that is making this happen.  I mean, you have to factor in that Doc is probably worth a first (there is precedent.)

But still, I don't know what the exact offer was that they turned down last year.

[Boris Badenov]

Sten's stance is baffling considering that they deiscussed a deal with KG and Joradan earlier at the trade deadline.  It's not like the KG part of the deal was added for the Doc part of the deal.

That's an excellent point.  One gets the impression that once Stern makes up his mind about something, any facts that effectively counter his decision won't even be considered, even though what you said probably counters his assertion better than anything else I've seen.  From a logical perspective, that'd be checkmate... not that Stern cares.

I don't think so.

Stern could easily state it the other way: the fact that the previous deal didn't happen when Doc was not part of it, but is acceptable to both parties now with Doc involved, actually proves that Doc is a critical part of the KG deal.

Not saying I believe that, but Stern can certainly make the argument.

Hard to really say whether that'd hold water or not without knowing the exact specifics of what was proposed and turned down last year.  I think you have to weigh what is *really* fair compensation to let Doc out of his contract.  To be honest, two firsts seems excessive.  One seems reasonable.  So, to me, if the package they turned down was less than or equal to KG for DJ + 1 pick, but suddenly that's acceptable with the inclusion of Doc, then Stern could plausibly say that.  But if what we were asking for was more than just DJ plus one first and they turned it down, then Stern's argument falls apart, because then he couldn't say that it was Doc's inclusion that is making this happen.  I mean, you have to factor in that Doc is probably worth a first (there is precedent.)

But still, I don't know what the exact offer was that they turned down last year.

Yeah, if the previous deal had Bledsoe and the Clips rejected it, and the current deal doesn't include Bledsoe, I think that helps.

But it's murky. And Stern just needs to come up with a story that somewhat loosely fits his interpretation of events.