KG vs DeAndre Jordan

[clover]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

That'd be the case for a contending team--but the C's aren't contending, they're starting a rebuild.  So the top priorities next year are not to win because you're playing players without a chance to matter in the next run and to build young assets as much as possible.

Having and playing DAJ beats KG in this circumstance on both counts, even though DAJ will never be half the player KG has been.

Also, you can't assume that KG would have played in a rebuilding situation rather than simply retiring.

having and playing daj is not better...it's mark blount 2.0...how did that work out for us...we're supposed to be excited because he's 25, 7-foot and can chew gum at the same time...there are plenty of those in the nba that never amounted to much...so let's play $10M for unproven potential that has already reached it's upside...you call that rebuilding...

I'm not especially high on the deal or DAJ, but you're missing the point.  The C's don't need or want to be good next year, which is probably the only year in which your comparison would pertain.  They want a good pick in 2014 and to develop future assets along the way.  They clearly have a better chance of both with DAJ over KG.

[droopdog7]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

That'd be the case for a contending team--but the C's aren't contending, they're starting a rebuild.  So the top priorities next year are not to win because you're playing players without a chance to matter in the next run and to build young assets as much as possible.

Having and playing DAJ beats KG in this circumstance on both counts, even though DAJ will never be half the player KG has been.

Also, you can't assume that KG would have played in a rebuilding situation rather than simply retiring.

What Clover said.  We aren't trying to contend.  And even if KG is better than Jordan will ever be, Jordan represents another asset that could be flipped down the line (while KG's career is done).

[MBunge]

And if DeAndre sucks...why would that be bad?  All it means is that Boston loses more games and gets a better chance at a high lottery pick.  What's the downside?

Now, if you just want KG and Paul to retire in green and then let the rebuilding start from zero, that's okay.  But just realize that if Ainge does that, Boston could spend years without ever getting a center as good as Jordan and that rebuilding with two extra 1st round picks is always a good thing.

Mike

[CelticG1]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

Yeah after Kg retires we will still have one of the worst centers in the league at 10+ mill. Yippee

perhaps.

I'm kind of hoping now that Jordan has a decent year and that Danny dangles him as a nice big expiring deal after next year when we have a shot a really decent player. 

I think if Danny takes Dieng in this draft, with luck Melo has developed enough in D league this year to become a serviceable backup for 2015 --> Jordan becomes expendable and becomes the trade chip to help land the C's a really solid scorer or just really solid all-around player.

Yeah I'm hoping for that or for DJ to turn into david Robinson.

I'm sure we could use him as a chip but how great of a chip

[Yogi]

And if DeAndre sucks...why would that be bad?  All it means is that Boston loses more games and gets a better chance at a high lottery pick.  What's the downside?

Now, if you just want KG and Paul to retire in green and then let the rebuilding start from zero, that's okay.  But just realize that if Ainge does that, Boston could spend years without ever getting a center as good as Jordan and that rebuilding with two extra 1st round picks is always a good thing.

Mike

It is bad because I would have to watch the games as a fan.  I am not one of those excited about tanking for a lottery pick.  That is not a mentality I want in this organization.  Pan-handling.

[rutzan]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

That'd be the case for a contending team--but the C's aren't contending, they're starting a rebuild.  So the top priorities next year are not to win because you're playing players without a chance to matter in the next run and to build young assets as much as possible.

Having and playing DAJ beats KG in this circumstance on both counts, even though DAJ will never be half the player KG has been.

Also, you can't assume that KG would have played in a rebuilding situation rather than simply retiring.

having and playing daj is not better...it's mark blount 2.0...how did that work out for us...we're supposed to be excited because he's 25, 7-foot and can chew gum at the same time...there are plenty of those in the nba that never amounted to much...so let's play $10M for unproven potential that has already reached it's upside...you call that rebuilding...

I'm not especially high on the deal or DAJ, but you're missing the point.  The C's don't need or want to be good next year, which is probably the only year in which your comparison would pertain.  They want a good pick in 2014 and to develop future assets along the way.  They clearly have a better chance of both with DAJ over KG.

developing assets is a crap-shoot...there is no guarantee that these #1's will amount to anything...like someone else said...if we are still a mediocre with kg and pierce...that's still better than being mediocre without them...we can rebuild in 1 or 2 years after they retire...what's the big rush...to rebuild one year sooner...(2) #1's are nothing to get excited about...

[rutzan]

And if DeAndre sucks...why would that be bad?  All it means is that Boston loses more games and gets a better chance at a high lottery pick.  What's the downside?

Now, if you just want KG and Paul to retire in green and then let the rebuilding start from zero, that's okay.  But just realize that if Ainge does that, Boston could spend years without ever getting a center as good as Jordan and that rebuilding with two extra 1st round picks is always a good thing.

Mike

it's the law of diminishing returns...the clippers would be laughing their heads if we were the sucker that took a financial albatross off their hands...we will not be so lucky to find a 2nd sucker when trying to peddle off DAJ...

[BballTim]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.

  That's true, but it's less true when you're trading someone as old as KG for someone as young as Jordan.

[MBunge]

And if DeAndre sucks...why would that be bad?  All it means is that Boston loses more games and gets a better chance at a high lottery pick.  What's the downside?

Now, if you just want KG and Paul to retire in green and then let the rebuilding start from zero, that's okay.  But just realize that if Ainge does that, Boston could spend years without ever getting a center as good as Jordan and that rebuilding with two extra 1st round picks is always a good thing.

Mike

It is bad because I would have to watch the games as a fan.  I am not one of those excited about tanking for a lottery pick.  That is not a mentality I want in this organization.  Pan-handling.

News flash.  You're going to be watching some crappy games no matter what.  Delaying the inevitable isn't going to change anything.  Maybe Ainge could have made a blockbuster deal a year or two after the title win if he broke up that team.  Now, these are the options.

1.  Trades that give the team more assets and/or salary cap flexibility to make the rebuilding process as short as possible.

2.  Starting the rebuild with fewer assets and/or less cap flexibility, which almost certainly means you'll be watching crappier games for even longer.

Mike

[MBunge]

And if DeAndre sucks...why would that be bad?  All it means is that Boston loses more games and gets a better chance at a high lottery pick.  What's the downside?

Now, if you just want KG and Paul to retire in green and then let the rebuilding start from zero, that's okay.  But just realize that if Ainge does that, Boston could spend years without ever getting a center as good as Jordan and that rebuilding with two extra 1st round picks is always a good thing.

Mike

it's the law of diminishing returns...the clippers would be laughing their heads if we were the sucker that took a financial albatross off their hands...we will not be so lucky to find a 2nd sucker when trying to peddle off DAJ...

Jordan's deal lasts for only two more years.  That's hardly some horrible burden that's going to cripple the franchise.  And if you don't think there will be more takers for DAJ's expiring deal than for a 38 year old KG, you're dreaming.

Mike

[ItStaysYang]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount...how did that work out for us...just because someone is playing does not mean they are an asset...the clippers and fans in LA are drooling about shipping jordan out of LA and can't wait for it to happen...where's all the uproar from LA about losing Jordan...there is none...what does that tell you...

Yes.. what he said was hypothetical, and what you said is completely opinionated.

DeAndre Jordan is going to be like Perk on crack here in Boston. Without being overshadowed by Griffin plus the fact that we have had a GLARING need at center for exactly what Jordan offers, I sense he is going to thrive here

[ItStaysYang]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.

  That's true, but it's less true when you're trading someone as old as KG for someone as young as Jordan.

Yes. This. People are WAY too nostalgic and emotional around here. KG is 37 years old FFS

[rutzan]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount...how did that work out for us...just because someone is playing does not mean they are an asset...the clippers and fans in LA are drooling about shipping jordan out of LA and can't wait for it to happen...where's all the uproar from LA about losing Jordan...there is none...what does that tell you...

Yes.. what he said was hypothetical, and what you said is completely opinionated.

DeAndre Jordan is going to be like Perk on crack here in Boston. Without being overshadowed by Griffin plus the fact that we have had a GLARING need at center for exactly what Jordan offers, I sense he is going to thrive here

is that legal...lol..and...that is your opinion...my opinion is that we are acquiring a diminishing asset which the clippers can't wait to give away so that we can peddle a further diminishing asset to another sucker...

[rutzan]

the bottom line is that Clippers can't wait to get rid of him...that is not an asset...not even close...

[rutzan]

if kg is so bad and DAJ is so good...then...why are the clippers drooling...