Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray?

[clover]

Funny thing is Miami would probably be Doc's first choice destination.

* Fair chance Spoelstra gets fired if Miami lose to the Spurs in the Finals.
* Doc has a strong relationship with Pat Riley.
* Plenty of rumours in the past about Riley wanting to hire Doc Rivers if he became available.
* Doc is one of the few current head coaches with true genuine Championship experience. A rarity amongst possible replacements for Spoelstra. One of the few candidates who go there to Miami and have the respect of somebody who has already been to the mountain top. Led a team to the Finals and won a Championship.
* Miami gives Doc the best player in the game in LeBron James and one of the strongest squads in the league. One of the best, if not the best, chances at adding further NBA titles to his resume. 
* Plus it allows Doc to relocate back to Florida closer to his family (they live in Florida right?)

So if Doc Rivers leaves Boston, I think there is a very good chance he could follow Ray Allen down to Miami.

It makes sense, but I literally think I'd be sick

FWIW, Steven A.'s latest proclamation included Doc 'knowing' that the C's wouldn't let him out to go to another team in their division or probably in the East at all.  So maybe it's already come up and that's where they C's have drawn the line?

[SHAQATTACK]

It's not on par, but its equally annoying.

OP is right, it feels like he's held the team hostage with his lack of decision.

It's a simple Yes or No question.

totally agree ....business is business ....he needs to put on the big boy pants and just leave if he doesn't like Boston and let the Celtics move on.

[PAOBoston]

Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray? No. It would be worse. Allen was a free agent and chose to go to Miami. Doc signed a 5 year deal a few years ago. He still has 2 years left I think. When he signed it, he had to consider the situation the C's are in now was a distinct possibility. Now he wants to bounce midway through his deal. Not only that, he's holding the team hostage with his indecision. I know it's a tough decision but they either move forward together or not. TBH, this guy has Miami written all over should the heat lose.

[kgainez]

i think if he leaves to coach elsewhere, esp with kg and pp by his side, i can see how one would feel some hatred towards Doc. however...Ray LEFT...so if we can get something in return for kg/pp (maybe rr) and get a great coach (which there are some great ones left) then lets do it.

can't stand this after every season

[CelticG1]

Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray? No. It would be worse. Allen was a free agent and chose to go to Miami. Doc signed a 5 year deal a few years ago. He still has 2 years left I think. When he signed it, he had to consider the situation the C's are in now was a distinct possibility. Now he wants to bounce midway through his deal. Not only that, he's holding the team hostage with his indecision. I know it's a tough decision but they either move forward together or not. TBH, this guy has Miami written all over should the heat lose.

Yeah I'm in this boat IF he leaves it is far worse than Ray.

Doc is under contract for 3 more years, he is the highest paid coach in the league, the media kisses the ground he walks on.

Now he's just like "well maybe ill jist sit out for 3 years instead of coaching or maybe go to abetter team"

Its in direct contrast to what he was saying when he signed the contract. Direct contrast to what he praises Paul Pierce about and rips on other players in the league about like Howard, Lebron etc.

It would mean that he was feeding us crap with his comments about being a team guy much like Ray was when he was talkimg about being a team guy.

I'm not talking abiut hating Doc Rivers or Ray Allen or whatever. Its just simply that they wouldn't be the people we thought they were and they were feeding us a lot of bs that they don't actually believe in while they were here

[Roy H.]

If Doc left to take over the Lakers or Knicks, people might get as riled up.

Otherwise, he'll be forgiven.

I do think in some ways what Doc would be doing is worse, because I think Danny gave him the contract he did because he wanted continuity as the team transitioned to a new era.  Danny has shown 100% loyalty to Doc (unlike to Ray), and for Doc to leave in the middle of his contract would be more of a betrayal than what Ray did.

At the same time, I can't blame Doc if he does want to move on.  Rebuilding sucks, especially when your team still has above-average players.

[Celtics18]

Would Doc leaving be on Par with Ray? No. It would be worse. Allen was a free agent and chose to go to Miami. Doc signed a 5 year deal a few years ago. He still has 2 years left I think. When he signed it, he had to consider the situation the C's are in now was a distinct possibility. Now he wants to bounce midway through his deal. Not only that, he's holding the team hostage with his indecision. I know it's a tough decision but they either move forward together or not. TBH, this guy has Miami written all over should the heat lose.

Yeah I'm in this boat IF he leaves it is far worse than Ray.

Doc is under contract for 3 more years, he is the highest paid coach in the league, the media kisses the ground he walks on.

Now he's just like "well maybe ill jist sit out for 3 years instead of coaching or maybe go to abetter team"

Its in direct contrast to what he was saying when he signed the contract. Direct contrast to what he praises Paul Pierce about and rips on other players in the league about like Howard, Lebron etc.

It would mean that he was feeding us crap with his comments about being a team guy much like Ray was when he was talkimg about being a team guy.

I'm not talking abiut hating Doc Rivers or Ray Allen or whatever. Its just simply that they wouldn't be the people we thought they were and they were feeding us a lot of bs that they don't actually believe in while they were here

For me, if Doc leaves because he wants to take a break from coaching, I will have no problem with that.  On the other hand, if he leaves to coach somewhere else, I'll feel betrayed.

Hopefully, he just announces soon that he'll stay on as the coach of the Boston Celtics for at least one more year. 

[CelticG1]

The thing is he can't just leave and coach somewhere else without our permission.

He unlikely will join the Lakers or Knicks or a real rival because we hold the cards.

Just because we can deny Rivers from doing certain things doesn't mean that he wouldn't jump at those  opportunities if he could.

Right now he doesn't seem like a guy who doesn't want to coach. He seems like a guy who doesn't want to coach the Celtics.

What would people be saying if the highest paid player in the league was pulling this stunt? Oh wed pretty much have the dwight howard fiasco

[connor]

It all depends on context.

The only reason I was upset when Ray left is because the Celtics even included a no trade clause. Danny and Doc almost traded him at the deadline repeatedly at that point Ray didn't owe anything to them or the fans (given that a lot of people seemed ok with Danny shipping him out), but he did owe it to Pierce and KG to stick it out knowing he wouldn't be traded instead of going ring chasing in Miami.

If Doc leaves the only reason I'll be upset is if he leaves for a team like the Lakers or the Knicks just chasing greener pastures. But even then I probably won't be that mad because why would I want the coach to stick around during a rebuild if his heart isn't in it? Thats just going to end badly for everyone. Going through a rebuild is a pretty big commitment and if he isn't up for that then he probably should leave.

On another note, I don't expect any Doc bashers, and there are quite a few around here, to be also complaining about him bailing. If you are that fed up with him, then just be happy that he goes.

[chambers]

I think at this stage he's using it as leverage to make sure Danny puts together a contender around KG.

He's bullying Ainge into re-tool mode rather than re-build mode. He would rather have a nice playoff run with KG and Rondo rather than go through 5 years of rebuilding hell again.

If you're a fan of the re-tool and not a blowup/tank strategy then you should probably be happy that Doc is doing this.

I'm in favor of blowing this carcus up (unless they somehow got a true all star to put next to KG +Rondo).

The Doc stuff makes me really think that Ainge is leaning towards the Andrew Wiggins/ Jabari Parker sweepstakes ie: a one year tank/rebuild while Rondo's knee recovers and Avery, Green and Sully get some serious NBA burn for a full season.

We'll suck but our youthful core will be much tougher coming out in 2014...

[CelticG1]

"Coaches talk about loyalty and team all the time, and I just thought it was time to show it, and that's what I did" - Doc Rivers May 16th, 2011

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand the reaction.  Coaches leave.  He's been here a long time and did great things.  It's probably a positive in the long run.

[CelticG1]

I don't understand the reaction.  Coaches leave.  He's been here a long time and did great things.  It's probably a positive in the long run.

Players leave to. If the highest paid player in the league had 3 years left in his contract and wanted out you wouldn't think it was a big deal?

I'm confused that you don't understand the reaction. Hes highest paid coach in the league, under contract for 3 more years....what's hard to understand about that?

[CelticG1]

This thread isn't really about liking doc or thinking he's the best coach for our team or for a rebuilding team. Its not about what's best for the organization.


Its about Doc just looking out for himself, directly contridicting quotes of his, while under contract.

Especially since it clearly isn't a mutual decision

[saltlover]

Not to me.  I suppose if he left the Celtics for the Lakers, that would be, but otherwise no.  It's not that Ray left, it's where he went.  Same with Doc.