Broussard: Doc Rivers believes it's time for a change in coaching status

[Chris]

This is all interesting, but truthfully I have no patience with it.

The difference between Larry Bird as GM and Danny is that Larry would have called Doc directly, asked if he was going to fill out his contract for next year or not, and if Doc was undecided, give him a short leash to figure it out and end the chatter in order to bring stability to the organization going into free agency.

I guess my question is, how do you know this isn't exactly how Danny handled it?  I find it hard to believe that at this point Danny doesn't know exactly where Doc stands.  The fact that neither of them want to tell the public right now doesn't mean anything with regards to how the team is being run.

[PhoSita]

Per Rich Levine over at CSNNE:

But today, you have to wonder how much that loyalty is worth. To Doc and the Celtics. I mean, clearly the loyalty is still there. Reading some of these reports, it seems like loyalty might be the only reason that Doc is so conflicted. But let’s be honest, if loyalty is the only thing keeping you in a job like this, it’s a recipe for disaster. It’s a recipe for resentment. You don’t want a coach to stick it out because he thinks it’s the right thing to do and doesn’t want to go back on his word. With everything that’s facing the Celtics right now, you don’t want a coach who’s wary about a rebuild and/or uneasy about the future. You want a coach who’s excited about the future. Who’s inspired by the future. Who wants to wake up every morning and kick the future’s ass. And it doesn’t sounds like Doc is that guy right now.

I have to say, he makes a good point.  I can't say that I disagree.

[RyNye]

Oh, wow, another thread of aimless Doc and Danny-bashing based on 0 evidence whatsoever from people who pretend they have any idea what is going on beyond the scenes of a notoriously secretive franchise!

[SHAQATTACK]

Glenn is money hungry......lots fancy openings. with RICH owners wanting BIG NAME coaches......Glenn gots da CP3 , DH fame and money grab going on.......

we know he is dying to be the Nets coach , the Russian will play him what ever he wants.

Leave already Glen.

[SHAQATTACK]

i wish the owners would step in and replace everybody. this team needs a new set of eyes on it.

This is probally  the Celtics future .   I think DA has boxed himself in with Rivers and let the CELTICS GO DOWN THE TUBES.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

i wish the owners would step in and replace everybody. this team needs a new set of eyes on it.

This is probally  the Celtics future .   I think DA has boxed himself in with Rivers and let the CELTICS GO DOWN THE TUBES.

Jesus, did you start watching basketball in 2008? The sense of entitlement built upon a foundation of zero history is absurd.

[clover]

i wish the owners would step in and replace everybody. this team needs a new set of eyes on it.

This is probally  the Celtics future .   I think DA has boxed himself in with Rivers and let the CELTICS GO DOWN THE TUBES.

I think Wyc has steered Danny to keeping the old guys together, and unfortunately signing all those three- and four-year deals in support thereof last summer, so ownership shares responsibility for their pickle as much as anyone.

[soap07]

It's amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on someone.

[wdleehi]

It's amazing how quickly a fan base can turn on someone.

Especially when they haven't done anything yet.



Pent up Ray frustration. 

[Neurotic Guy]

Oh, wow, another thread of aimless Doc and Danny-bashing based on 0 evidence whatsoever from people who pretend they have any idea what is going on beyond the scenes of a notoriously secretive franchise!

I tend to think exactly in this way as I read most posts.  But then I think that it is (or should be) a gereral assumption that everyone here knows that no one here knows what they are talking about (not referring here to anyone's knowledge of basketball).   Any sentence that begins "Danny thinks" or "Doc wants" or "Wyc's plan is" is based on just about nothing.

But if we all know and accept that we are pretty clueless about what is really going on then we can all accept that every speculation that is written here is based on guesses, whims, biases, urges to provoke and sometimes on shreds of common sense -- but rarely based on fact.

I hope Doc stays but haven't a clue what he is thinking. 

[Jon]

I will say this: I am not a fan of Danny allowing Doc to go to another team anytime in the next 3 years.

This is not a case where Doc was blindsided by things. He went into this new deal acknowledging he would have to rebuild. If he didn't want to do that, he should not have signed the contract.

Second, I don't think the Celtics really owe Doc anything.  Doc gave to the C's about as much as they gave back. Doc came to the C's as a good, but certainly not great, coach. During his time here, he has elevated himself up the line to perhaps a great coach, but one could certainly argue that his success is largely fueled by the talent he had.

In short, he isn't Red Auerbach or even Danny Ainge--he's not a Celtic lifer. He's merely a good coach who has been quite good to us, but also benefited a lot from being here. If Danny feels it's best for the team to let him out of the deal, fine. But I don't think he owes it to Doc to let him out of one of the best coaching contracts in pro sports.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Wyc has steered Danny to keeping the old guys together,

 

Of course, he is going to put up that front publically, because of the fan base and they want to look good.   It would be owner induced suicide for Wyc to say otherwise.   Fans would be really mad, this way ( Wyc saying one thing to us and another to DA) DA takes the blame and not Wyc. 

That may well be the case,we may be coming back one more time but indications from Doc possibly transitioning and not happy tell me that there is a real chance it could go the other way.  Doc won't be here with another rebuild.   He was fine with it before to restart his career but now he has a ring and coaching gravitas.

I think DA will do what he feels makes us a better team.  He has a history of not listening to the fans, the Perk trade for instance, but I think it was a good deal for us and we came out ahead.  A lot will depend on what other teams offer and what happens on draft night.   Who knows if he will move up, down or out.

Ainge has never been afraid to pull the trigger.   I think we are darn lucky to have him.  As for Doc, I hate small ball, I think he is a good coach in certain situations, but he is the type of coach who is only as good as his players.

[crownontherocks]

Doc Rivers has indicated he might be ready for a "new situation," a front-office source tells CBS Sports' Ken Berger.

[LooseCannon]

McGee gets a lot of rebounds and blocks.

But his team gets beat on the boards worse when he's on the court and opponents shoot a higher percentage at the rim too.

Undisciplined numbers don't help you win games.

It's the coach's job to turn undisciplined numbers into disciplined numbers.

You need a good coach to do that.

You are so out of line and frankly lost with your McGee argument. He was looking like a lost cause before he was coached by Karl...frankly the way he played in spurts under Karl was why he was overpaid...Karl was then completely in the right not to over play the knucklehead and knew it better then anyone, certainly you. George did a sensational job this season.

And the other thing is, he played Koufos only 22 minutes and Mozgov only 9 minutes a game.  All three of those guys were pretty similar rebounders, passers, and shooters.  McGee got a few more shots per game, but that was as much of who he played with than anything else.  I mean was Karl supposed to play Iguodala, Gallinari, or Faried less minutes.

During the regular season, McGee/Koufos/Mozgov combined for 44 minutes per game.  In the playoffs, that dropped to 35 minutes per game.  Meanwhile, Wilson Chandler's minutes bumped up from 25 to 34.

Karl was fired partly because that coaching decision to play Chandler (and Iguodala) more in a smallball lineup instead of McGee and Koufos was blamed for the Nuggets losing what the front office thought was a winnable series.

[Evantime34]

Doc Rivers has indicated he might be ready for a "new situation," a front-office source tells CBS Sports' Ken Berger.

Both his comments could be construed as him saying he wants a front office job. I would be fine making him General Manager while he worked under Ainge (who I believe is President of Basketball Operations.

If Doc no longer wanted to coach the team but wanted to move into an NBA front office job, would you want him in the front office? I would.