Author Topic: If the Schroeder promise is true, are we probably trading Rondo? (To the Jazz)  (Read 10721 times)

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Offline j804

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If we promised a PG that's very much like Rondo to draft him it makes more sense to keep him playing behind Rondo for a year or two to make sure he is a player before trading away Rondo.

I have been one that has advocated for Michael Carter-Williams being drafted if he is there but even then I want him playing with Rondo, not in place of Rondo, at least not until its time for KG and Pierce to go, which I believe will not be next year.
You see KG and Paul playing another 2 years here? I guess maybe KG because he's so loyal but then again if its a full rebuild which if not this upcoming year it'll probably be the next, see them going elsewhere for their final year and ride off into retirement from there. I just hope Paul is back the thought disgusts me at trading him away for a pick or some mediocre big who isnt going to make or break hs anywah, if he wants to stay let him play out his final year here.
I only see KG and Pierce back next year. If the team stinks, I see Danny blowing it up come the trade deadline. If the C's are good, the team will be blown up after the season.

Either way, they will need Rondo next year. Rondo's value will be better next year when he is healthy and proven he is and not trading Rondo will give this team the starting and back up PGs it has needed since basically the Rondo/Eddie House combo. Let the kid learn a year under Rondo at the minimum. If the blow up comes after next year, at least Doc and Danny will know if they have a future PG that can be what they need and trade Rondo or whether they don't and decide to keep Rondo and further develop Carter-Williams or Schroeder
Agreed good points, could see it shaking out that way. If they reload but fall short playing well--depending on how guys do it ups their value right now we aren't going to get anything for guys like Bradley, Sully, Green etc
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Actually I think their plan is to go Kanter and Favors

It is.  Kanter isn't going to be traded.

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Isn't it more likely that we just want to draft a PG, because Rondo might not return for several months into the season (if at all)?

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I think it just means that the Celtics will flip Shroeder to the Jazz. Plus, Jazz are sticking with Kanter. They'd probably want a young PG to develop along with all their other young talent..

You might be right, but is Schroeder ready to be the PG on this team of young, experienced players as they make a push to be a playoff contender? If not is Alek Burks? I don't think so. It's a position of need for them. We shall see.

Why wouldnt they just pick him with the 14th though? Do the Jazz have two players they like coming out of this draft?

That's what I'm thinking as well. There's no reason to trade for him if you're Utah, because you can just draft him at 14, unless there's another prospect you want enough to justify trading for the 16th.

Cause if the Jazz are gonna lose Al Jefferson for nothing anyway, they might as well take another first round pick back and get Schroeder plus whomever. The Jazz arent winning anything anyway, the more young players you can get on the roster in hopes of one of them developing into something, the better.

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Isn't it more likely that we just want to draft a PG, because Rondo might not return for several months into the season (if at all)?
Or maybe (if true we have a promise), Danny just thinks Schroeder is the best prospect available.  This is supposedly a horrible draft... no sense in drafting for need if all the potential draftees suck.   Also, Boston doesn't really have a good backup PG.  Avery Bradley is slow to develop into the role... his ability to control the ball is suspect.  Maybe Danny thinks Schroeder is just what the Lobsterclaws need.

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I think it just means that the Celtics will flip Shroeder to the Jazz. Plus, Jazz are sticking with Kanter. They'd probably want a young PG to develop along with all their other young talent..

You might be right, but is Schroeder ready to be the PG on this team of young, experienced players as they make a push to be a playoff contender? If not is Alek Burks? I don't think so. It's a position of need for them. We shall see.

Why wouldnt they just pick him with the 14th though? Do the Jazz have two players they like coming out of this draft?

That's what I'm thinking as well. There's no reason to trade for him if you're Utah, because you can just draft him at 14, unless there's another prospect you want enough to justify trading for the 16th.

Cause if the Jazz are gonna lose Al Jefferson for nothing anyway, they might as well take another first round pick back and get Schroeder plus whomever. The Jazz arent winning anything anyway, the more young players you can get on the roster in hopes of one of them developing into something, the better.

Agree 100% here. Perhaps the reason we brought in the 6 guards we brought in might be perhaps to trade into the 2nd round to grab one to backup Rondo like a Phil Pressey maybe. The Schroeder pick goes to the Jazz as part of a deal maybe with Bass for Millsap. Although I like Big Al better.
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I think it just means that the Celtics will flip Shroeder to the Jazz. Plus, Jazz are sticking with Kanter. They'd probably want a young PG to develop along with all their other young talent..

You might be right, but is Schroeder ready to be the PG on this team of young, experienced players as they make a push to be a playoff contender? If not is Alek Burks? I don't think so. It's a position of need for them. We shall see.

Why wouldnt they just pick him with the 14th though? Do the Jazz have two players they like coming out of this draft?

That's what I'm thinking as well. There's no reason to trade for him if you're Utah, because you can just draft him at 14, unless there's another prospect you want enough to justify trading for the 16th.

Cause if the Jazz are gonna lose Al Jefferson for nothing anyway, they might as well take another first round pick back and get Schroeder plus whomever. The Jazz arent winning anything anyway, the more young players you can get on the roster in hopes of one of them developing into something, the better.

Agree 100% here. Perhaps the reason we brought in the 6 guards we brought in might be perhaps to trade into the 2nd round to grab one to backup Rondo like a Phil Pressey maybe. The Schroeder pick goes to the Jazz as part of a deal maybe with Bass for Millsap. Although I like Big Al better.

Our backup PG is going to be a proven one I think. A second round rookie is a gamble. Pulling for T-Will to fill that role.

However, I'm hoping we go for the likes of Big Al too.

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Isn't it more likely that we just want to draft a PG, because Rondo might not return for several months into the season (if at all)?
Or maybe (if true we have a promise), Danny just thinks Schroeder is the best prospect available.  This is supposedly a horrible draft... no sense in drafting for need if all the potential draftees suck.   Also, Boston doesn't really have a good backup PG.  Avery Bradley is slow to develop into the role... his ability to control the ball is suspect.  Maybe Danny thinks Schroeder is just what the Lobsterclaws need.

From what I've heard and from what I understand, it's top weak. However, it's kind of deep apparently.

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 IF  I traded the best player by far in the Deal. I'm not even talking to you without talking Favors  and your pic. Where still not getting enough there.

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Isn't it more likely that we just want to draft a PG, because Rondo might not return for several months into the season (if at all)?
Not sure why you keep saying this as all indications are that he should be ready to go by November.

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Just what we need...another guard..unless Bradley may be dealt
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Isn't it more likely that we just want to draft a PG, because Rondo might not return for several months into the season (if at all)?
Not sure why you keep saying this as all indications are that he should be ready to go by November.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly
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Rondo is rehabbing

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4704153/rondo-talks-for-first-time-since-surgery

http://redsarmy.com/2013/05/06/your-morning-dump-where-rondos-rehabbing-in-vegas/

http://redsarmy.com/2013/05/06/your-morning-dump-where-rondos-rehabbing-in-vegas/

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Rondo underwent surgery Feb. 13 and said it’s a 6-to-12-month window to return.

“Every ACL surgery they say you can start running in about 4-6 months [after surgery],” he said. “I think that’s when I’ll start running. That’s in the textbook of ACL rehab. I don’t know how long training camp is from my surgery. I get in between 6-12 months.”

Could be he returns August 2013 but maybe not until February 2014.  Best not to rush things.   

Schroeder is the perfect backup to RR.

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Considering that the Celts don't have a back up to Rondo it would be a smart move. The kid is either going to be a good back up or a really good starter.

 Its not like they have a ton of money to spend this off season. I think only a MLE?

 So what would you rather have a MLE pg and a Rookie project big, or MLE center with a rookie project pg. PG's that high on the draft board tend to do better the first season then bigs.

Plus if he excels, then you have a great problem of deciding on Shroeder or Rondo in the next contracts.

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http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/03/rajon_rondo_injury_update_bost.html

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If he dislikes the cold, Rajon Rondo timed his return to Boston right.

The Boston Celtics point guard spent the latter part of winter rehabbing a torn ACL in Florida, but now he's ready to come back just as the weather starts to change.

“He should be back up here this weekend,” said president of basketball operations Danny Ainge, according to the Boston Herald. “He’s been doing two-a-days in Sarasota, and he’ll be back to start his rehab here for a while. (Wife) Ashley and the kids have been down there for much of the time, so he’s not alone. He seems to be in good spirits, and things are going well.”

Rondo underwent surgery in mid-February. The latest timetable provided by the organization suggests he should be ready for training camp.
Rondo is already doing two a days and the team schedule has him being ready for training camp.

That is the absolute latest. So can we please stop with the "he's gone for half of next year and possibly the whole year" misinformation, because it just is not true.