Trade idea : DeMarcus Cousins to Boston

[CelticsFan9]

Originally, I didn't like the idea of Cousins coming to Boston, but warmed up to it after watching us get killed on the boards, and play without a post presence every night.

At this point, though, I think Cousins is a bit of a lost cause.  I mean, we haven't seen him on a good team yet, but even then, I'm not sure he will ever change his attitude.  It's a shame, as his skill set is intriguing for a big man.

I'd prefer to have Bradley and Sully over Cousins right now.

[kingtutts]

I really do like Cousins, but there's no way I would part with Green, Sully or Bradley for him. Why not? Bradley...haven't we learned from the TA loss how valuable great defenders are? PLUS he's still a pup! Green...he WILL be coming into his own in the next 2 yrs and with his scoring ability AND defense, again you just don't trade such valuable assets for a dude with talent and bad everything else. Sully...young, very skilled and still learning the game. I hated when we gave up Al, but know we needed KG to get us to that next level. KG was well established and his character and presence were never in question, as is Cousins. I'd hate to see them give up on Sully to be a part of bringing this dude in.  Cousins is drama. He strikes me as one that if he doesn't win he will pout, become a problem then we have Dwightmare Pt. 2 on our hands. If all you are looking for is a talented big then wait it out and get a very serviceable big who can fit along with these three and Rondo. THAT'S what I would do. Again, love the big fellas skillset but I'm tired of regretting our "throwaways" that end up totally significant on other ball clubs. Give the youngins time to develop with each other and cross our fingers that Melo will turn into that very servicable big we were looking for.

I have to respectfully disagree.  I believe this is a classic case of overvaluing our own players.  Teams win championships with dominant bigs. There are very few cases of teams without a dominant big winning championships, and in those cases, the dominant wing player is an all world all time hyper dominant wing player.  3 of the top 4 teams in this final four this year play big, and have great bigs.

No matter how Jeff Green develops he will never be that player, however, Cousins can become a top 3 center in this league.  And under the tutelage of a KG and Pierce, can mature into a very great and consistent player.

I do agree that you don't give up Sullinger AND Green, but you give up whichever one they want for a player of that caliber.  And personally, I hate this draft and wouldn't mind getting out of it. 

The ideal trade in my mind is Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Crawfrord and 16 for Cousins and Salmon, but I would give up Green, Bradley, Crawford and 16 in a second if thats what they wanted.

You can always find wing players in this league, but you can't always find great bigs.  Anyhow if I'm Sacramento I take Sullinger instead of Green cause he's younger and cheaper, and I'd draft Zeller at 7 and BPA at 16 and build around a new young front line. 

A Rajon Rondo/ Jeff Green/ DeMarcus Cousins core is way stronger than any core that been presented on this board to lead us into a post PP/KG era.

Thats just my two cents.

[Celticfankb]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

[rondohondo]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

That's actually a really intriguing deal. There was a rumor a few years ago that Boston was trying to trade Rondo to Sacramento for the # 4 pick so they could draft evans ..


PG: Evans   / Vet min
SG: Lee?    / Terry
SF: Green   / PP
PF: Cousins / Bass
 C: KG      / Melo

Would probably have to sign another pg, but a core of Evans,Cousins and Green is a pretty good young one , especially if PP and KG can show Evans and Cousins how to be winners .

[Celticfankb]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

That's actually a really intriguing deal. There was a rumor a few years ago that Boston was trying to trade Rondo to Sacramento for the # 4 pick so they could draft evans ..


PG: Evans   / Vet min
SG: Lee?    / Terry
SF: Green   / PP
PF: Cousins / Bass
 C: KG      / Melo

Would probably have to sign another pg, but a core of Evans,Cousins and Green is a pretty good young one , especially if PP and KG can show Evans and Cousins how to be winners .

Yeah I think we could get another PG. We could then also field trade offers for Pierce.

[connor]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

That's actually a really intriguing deal. There was a rumor a few years ago that Boston was trying to trade Rondo to Sacramento for the # 4 pick so they could draft evans ..


PG: Evans   / Vet min
SG: Lee?    / Terry
SF: Green   / PP
PF: Cousins / Bass
 C: KG      / Melo

Would probably have to sign another pg, but a core of Evans,Cousins and Green is a pretty good young one , especially if PP and KG can show Evans and Cousins how to be winners .

I think that is a major overpayment for Cousins and Evans. I think Rondo straight-up for the pair would make sense for me, but I could see how the detractors might think thats overvaluing him too much. But what I will say is that both Evans and Cousins have been shopped at a serious discount during THIS very season because Evans has underachieved since his rookie campaign and Cousins is a head-case.

No Sully and Bradley probably aren't All-Star caliber players, but they are the types of guys who provide that extra contribution you need in the playoffs when stars collide and your fringe players can help you steal a game. You don't just hand them away for guys who have their own issues and who are going to command serious money (Evans is probably in the 9-12m range this offseason and Cousins will most likely land a max or near max deal) along with your star PG and a first.

[jambr380]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

That's actually a really intriguing deal. There was a rumor a few years ago that Boston was trying to trade Rondo to Sacramento for the # 4 pick so they could draft evans ..


PG: Evans   / Vet min
SG: Lee?    / Terry
SF: Green   / PP
PF: Cousins / Bass
 C: KG      / Melo

Would probably have to sign another pg, but a core of Evans,Cousins and Green is a pretty good young one , especially if PP and KG can show Evans and Cousins how to be winners .

I think that is a major overpayment for Cousins and Evans. I think Rondo straight-up for the pair would make sense for me, but I could see how the detractors might think thats overvaluing him too much. But what I will say is that both Evans and Cousins have been shopped at a serious discount during THIS very season because Evans has underachieved since his rookie campaign and Cousins is a head-case.

No Sully and Bradley probably aren't All-Star caliber players, but they are the types of guys who provide that extra contribution you need in the playoffs when stars collide and your fringe players can help you steal a game. You don't just hand them away for guys who have their own issues and who are going to command serious money (Evans is probably in the 9-12m range this offseason and Cousins will most likely land a max or near max deal) along with your star PG and a first.

I agree, Rondo for Cousins and Evans seems like a reasonable deal for both teams. Adding in Sully, AB, and our #16 is way too much. Frankly, those three pieces could almost land you cousins on his own.

Evans would be interesting, but I almost see him as a throw in, as Rondo would be taking most of his minutes. He has underachieved since his rookie campaign and probably could use a change of scenery.

[bucknersrevenge]

I really do like Cousins, but there's no way I would part with Green, Sully or Bradley for him. Why not? Bradley...haven't we learned from the TA loss how valuable great defenders are? PLUS he's still a pup! Green...he WILL be coming into his own in the next 2 yrs and with his scoring ability AND defense, again you just don't trade such valuable assets for a dude with talent and bad everything else. Sully...young, very skilled and still learning the game. I hated when we gave up Al, but know we needed KG to get us to that next level. KG was well established and his character and presence were never in question, as is Cousins. I'd hate to see them give up on Sully to be a part of bringing this dude in.  Cousins is drama. He strikes me as one that if he doesn't win he will pout, become a problem then we have Dwightmare Pt. 2 on our hands. If all you are looking for is a talented big then wait it out and get a very serviceable big who can fit along with these three and Rondo. THAT'S what I would do. Again, love the big fellas skillset but I'm tired of regretting our "throwaways" that end up totally significant on other ball clubs. Give the youngins time to develop with each other and cross our fingers that Melo will turn into that very servicable big we were looking for.

I have to respectfully disagree.  I believe this is a classic case of overvaluing our own players.  Teams win championships with dominant bigs. There are very few cases of teams without a dominant big winning championships, and in those cases, the dominant wing player is an all world all time hyper dominant wing player.  3 of the top 4 teams in this final four this year play big, and have great bigs.

No matter how Jeff Green develops he will never be that player, however, Cousins can become a top 3 center in this league.  And under the tutelage of a KG and Pierce, can mature into a very great and consistent player.

I do agree that you don't give up Sullinger AND Green, but you give up whichever one they want for a player of that caliber.  And personally, I hate this draft and wouldn't mind getting out of it. 

The ideal trade in my mind is Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Crawfrord and 16 for Cousins and Salmon, but I would give up Green, Bradley, Crawford and 16 in a second if thats what they wanted.

You can always find wing players in this league, but you can't always find great bigs.  Anyhow if I'm Sacramento I take Sullinger instead of Green cause he's younger and cheaper, and I'd draft Zeller at 7 and BPA at 16 and build around a new young front line. 

A Rajon Rondo/ Jeff Green/ DeMarcus Cousins core is way stronger than any core that been presented on this board to lead us into a post PP/KG era.

Thats just my two cents.

Yeah, that is a beyond fair deal for DMC. My only apprehension is not in what we give up but in what we get back. Cousins frankly just doesn't have his head screwed on right. The kid is boatloads of talented for sure. I just don't think he likes basketball though. I see KG punching him in the face inside a week. I would do the deal but I would have my eyes closed while I did it.

[kingtutts]

What about this trade?
Rondo
Sullinger
Bradley
maybe the 13' first round pick (16th)
for
Cousin
Evans
and filler.

Evans is a restricted FA, I guess he would have to be signed and traded.

I don't see the fascination with Sullinger and Bradley. They are no more than role players. None of our young guys accept Green has the potential to be an all-star. I think Cousin and Evans could be all-stars. Sullinger and Bradley probably couldn't be the center piece of a big deal. So I would venture to say that you would have to add a bigger piece along with them to strike a big impact deal.

Rondo is a great PG. In some ways, I believe he is the best, However, I believe you don't need an all-star point to win a title. Wings and big men win titles. Your PG can't be the best player. The last PG that was the best player on his team to win a title was Isiah Thomas, in 1990.

Evans and Cousins need to be broken up.  The problem with young teams is that there are no veterans who command respect and teach them how to be pros.  Imagine how Rondo would've turned out if he wasn't on a team with Pierce and KG.  If you wanna fix Cousins you have to get him far far away from everything doing with that Kings team and put him on a team with veterans who demand a certain attitude out of him.

Same thing with Evans, but they can't be on the same team.

[KGs Knee]

I would trade any player in the C's for Cousins except Rondo.  Then again, the only player in the league I would trade Rondo for is LeBron

[Atzar]

Originally, I didn't like the idea of Cousins coming to Boston, but warmed up to it after watching us get killed on the boards, and play without a post presence every night.

At this point, though, I think Cousins is a bit of a lost cause.  I mean, we haven't seen him on a good team yet, but even then, I'm not sure he will ever change his attitude.  It's a shame, as his skill set is intriguing for a big man.

I'd prefer to have Bradley and Sully over Cousins right now.

Lost cause?  He's 22.  I'm not Cousins' biggest fan here, but I think his immaturity is absolutely a fixable issue in the right environment. 

[Eddie20]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Source in tune with Kings' hiring of Mike Malone as coach suggests move was made with the idea that DeMarcus Cousins "is a goner."

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Not sure I totally believe source re: DeMarcus Cousins. Think Kings will at least give it a shot. Perhaps best big in game. On court anyway.

[SHAQATTACK]

we need more tuff ness on the court,  with all the punks on the nets, Knicks, and heat,   we could use Cousins.....he is scared of these teams.....Love two Cousins and Shav. or Sully helping KG .

Maybe we could keep wade and Lebron from controlling the paint.

[goCeltics]

the c's could use paul's contract to make a godfather offer, basically paul+bradley+sullinger+16th pick for salmons, hayes and cousins and the 36th pick

don't know i go that far but the point is that this team is not as asset free as ppl think, that ainge has quielty assemble some useful trade chips for a move

[smiggity]

I don't think the Kings would consider that a godfather offer. I expect that other teams, the Cavs for instance, could and would make much better offers.

Right now the Celtics have one legitimate all-star (Rondo), one borderline all-star (Green), and a bunch of role players. I consider both KG and PP role players because they shouldn't be playing full-time starter minutes at this point of their careers. I consider both Bradley and Sully super role players because they offer a lot but are not really complete players (Bradley, due to his offense, Sully, due to his lack of size (and injured back)).

I think the Celtics only shot at Cousins is to pool all their assets outside of Rondo and Green and hope it's enough. I, for one, think the potential of a Rondo/Green/Cousins core is worth it. You fill out the roster from there (and have a 5 year window or so with that core).

To pool their assets, the Celtics could try to expand the trade with SAC to include LAC. It would look like this:

BOS receives: Cousins, Salmons (salary dump), Hayes (salary dump), Butler
SAC receives: Bledsoe, Bradley, Sullinger, Pierce (buy-out), and BOS 2013 1st round pick (16)
LAC receives: Garnett

It all depends on whether you think Cousins can be 1B to Rondo's 1A on a championship contender (I think he can). But I really don't think you're getting him for less (and it still might not be enough). In the NBA, four quarters generally won't net you a dollar.