Pacers’ Hibbert Plans to Speak Up

[LooseCannon]

One suggestion I have read is that Hibbert could have been guarding the inbounder instead of David West.

[Clench123]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

[Boris Badenov]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

One point of the article was that who are your "best guys" can be situation-specific. Late-game personnel moves are often dictated by the situation at hand.

Whether the analysis in the article is correct or not in this specific case is debatable of course, but that general point is perfectly valid.

[LooseCannon]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

[fairweatherfan]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.  A better scenario is being up 3 with the opposition having the ball.

Honestly, I watched the game and the thought that Hibbert could've changed anything never crossed my mind.  That was all on George and I have no idea how any help defender could've been in the paint to challenge unless the Pacers went zone, in which case Miami gets a wide-open 3.  I don't really get the Hibbert flap other than the usual Internet backseat coaching.

[Boris Badenov]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.  A better scenario is being up 3 with the opposition having the ball.

Honestly, I watched the game and the thought that Hibbert could've changed anything never crossed my mind.  That was all on George and I have no idea how any help defender could've been in the paint to challenge unless the Pacers went zone, in which case Miami gets a wide-open 3.  I don't really get the Hibbert flap other than the usual Internet backseat coaching.

More on this:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63020/nba-playoffs-shootaround-you-cant-stop-whats-coming

On your point, yes, it looks like even if Hansbrough (or Hibbert) collapses, which might have been impossible given how badly Lebron had the defense beat, Lebron would have been perfectly positioned for a kickout to the corner.

And I'll just add - that move by Lebron was just phenomenal. Let's maybe just give credit where credit is due. His combination of changing direction, accelerating, and the lefty layup, all in less than 2 seconds...impressive is an understatement.

[LooseCannon]

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.

Hibbert is 4-15 lifetime on threes.

[Celtics18]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.  A better scenario is being up 3 with the opposition having the ball.

Honestly, I watched the game and the thought that Hibbert could've changed anything never crossed my mind.  That was all on George and I have no idea how any help defender could've been in the paint to challenge unless the Pacers went zone, in which case Miami gets a wide-open 3.  I don't really get the Hibbert flap other than the usual Internet backseat coaching.

More on this:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63020/nba-playoffs-shootaround-you-cant-stop-whats-coming

On your point, yes, it looks like even if Hansbrough (or Hibbert) collapses, which might have been impossible given how badly Lebron had the defense beat, Lebron would have been perfectly positioned for a kickout to the corner.

And I'll just add - that move by Lebron was just phenomenal. Let's maybe just give credit where credit is due. His combination of changing direction, accelerating, and the lefty layup, all in less than 2 seconds...impressive is an understatement.

The Unthinkable:

Actually, giving credit to the guy who made the play. 

[fairweatherfan]

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.

Hibbert is 4-15 lifetime on threes.

Yes, and at least one game-winner in college.  That's still a higher percentage than West, Hansbrough, or Mahinmi, and Hibbert can shoot over defenders more easily.  If you play any bigs at all in that situation (and you might not,) he's the one you'd pick.

[fairweatherfan]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.  A better scenario is being up 3 with the opposition having the ball.

Honestly, I watched the game and the thought that Hibbert could've changed anything never crossed my mind.  That was all on George and I have no idea how any help defender could've been in the paint to challenge unless the Pacers went zone, in which case Miami gets a wide-open 3.  I don't really get the Hibbert flap other than the usual Internet backseat coaching.

More on this:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63020/nba-playoffs-shootaround-you-cant-stop-whats-coming

On your point, yes, it looks like even if Hansbrough (or Hibbert) collapses, which might have been impossible given how badly Lebron had the defense beat, Lebron would have been perfectly positioned for a kickout to the corner.

And I'll just add - that move by Lebron was just phenomenal. Let's maybe just give credit where credit is due. His combination of changing direction, accelerating, and the lefty layup, all in less than 2 seconds...impressive is an understatement.

If Hansbrough/Hibbert collapses, Ray gets a wide-open shot.  If Hansbrough/Hibbert don't switch the initial Bosh/Allen screen and come over to help, Bosh gets a wide-open layup or baseline J.  Once LeBron gets past George the Heat were getting an easy look one way or another.

[CelticConcourse]

This is a great read on Vogel's decision to sit Hibbert, and it kinda shut me right up (thought Hibbert definitly should've been in the game)

  http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2013/05/in-defense-of-frank-vogel/

There is absolutely no excuse for that decision.  You play your best guys when it counts the most, period.

If there are three seconds left and you are down by three, is it ok to sit Hibbert in favor of someone who has three-point range or do you play your best guys no matter what?

Hibbert can actually make some 3s so if you're not going ultra-small he's a plausible option.  A better scenario is being up 3 with the opposition having the ball.

Honestly, I watched the game and the thought that Hibbert could've changed anything never crossed my mind.  That was all on George and I have no idea how any help defender could've been in the paint to challenge unless the Pacers went zone, in which case Miami gets a wide-open 3.  I don't really get the Hibbert flap other than the usual Internet backseat coaching.

More on this:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63020/nba-playoffs-shootaround-you-cant-stop-whats-coming

On your point, yes, it looks like even if Hansbrough (or Hibbert) collapses, which might have been impossible given how badly Lebron had the defense beat, Lebron would have been perfectly positioned for a kickout to the corner.

And I'll just add - that move by Lebron was just phenomenal. Let's maybe just give credit where credit is due. His combination of changing direction, accelerating, and the lefty layup, all in less than 2 seconds...impressive is an understatement.

If Hansbrough/Hibbert collapses, Ray gets a wide-open shot.  If Hansbrough/Hibbert don't switch the initial Bosh/Allen screen and come over to help, Bosh gets a wide-open layup or baseline J.  Once LeBron gets past George the Heat were getting an easy look one way or another.

It's 2.2 seconds, it'd have to be a very quick shot for either player. Gotta account for the time it takes to leave James' hands, to travel through the air, to catch the ball, to gain control of the ball, to put the ball up, to release the ball... and who knows if it will go in. Anything's better than an open layup.

[snively]

Hibbert's severe lack of quickness greatly limits his utility in situations like this.

[Moranis]

Sam Young couldn't get there in time, why does anyone think Hibbert could have?

[rondohondo]

like someone else mentioned , why not put a 7'2 guy on the in bound passer?

[bdm860]

Sam Young couldn't get there in time, why does anyone think Hibbert could have?

I don't know, while Sam Young may not be in position to take a charge, I think he's in a position to challenge the shot, but didn't jump (probably for fear of fouling, plus he's not really the guy to block/stop/challenge LeBron).  Young's right in the middle of the charge circle, only taking one step from where he was.

Hibbert in the same position (if he's in the game and doesn't switch) with an out stretched arm and actually jumping, would have a good chance of challenging it I would think.

Now if you don't think Hibbert would have been there, that's another argument, but Hibbert in the exact same place as Sam Young has a chance of challenging the shot I'd think, no?  Or big disagreement there?