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Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2013, 03:19:29 PM »

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Nerlens Noel will be the biggest question mark Top 2 pick since Stromile Swift. He's a freak athlete, for sure, but he has zero offensive game.  He's rail thin, and isn't a true 7 footer.  To top it off, he's coming off knee surgery.  What's the difference between him and the many beanpole jumping jacks with no offense that have come into and out of the league the past decade?

He's got an awesome work ethic, was a dominating presence in the post defensively, and his coaches love him, and he loves basketball.

He was a very good shot blocker and rim protector as a frosh. He did get bullied in the post by burlier players at both ends.  All the other unskilled jumping jacks loved basketball too.   Is he all that different than McGee and DeAndre Jordan, who are taller and jump higher?  Noel might be a better athlete, but will he develop any offense? 

Don't get me wrong.  I've been impressed with Noel's athleticism since he exploded on the local scene a few years ago.  I have yet to see a highlight where he makes an actual shot.  It's all dunking and shot blocking.  I can't help but think Sean Williams with a bit more height and a lot better attitude.  I hope I'm wrong and he will develop some offense. 

The one bad thing about today's NBA is that young bigs who are one and done don't get to develop offense in college.  Imagine if Ewing left Georgetown after his freshman year.  Would he ever have developed into one of the best shooting big men of all time?  Probably not.   

Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2013, 03:41:13 PM »

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Nerlens Noel will be the biggest question mark Top 2 pick since Stromile Swift. He's a freak athlete, for sure, but he has zero offensive game.  He's rail thin, and isn't a true 7 footer.  To top it off, he's coming off knee surgery.  What's the difference between him and the many beanpole jumping jacks with no offense that have come into and out of the league the past decade?

He's got an awesome work ethic, was a dominating presence in the post defensively, and his coaches love him, and he loves basketball.

He was a very good shot blocker and rim protector as a frosh. He did get bullied in the post by burlier players at both ends.  All the other unskilled jumping jacks loved basketball too.   Is he all that different than McGee and DeAndre Jordan, who are taller and jump higher?  Noel might be a better athlete, but will he develop any offense? 

Don't get me wrong.  I've been impressed with Noel's athleticism since he exploded on the local scene a few years ago.  I have yet to see a highlight where he makes an actual shot.  It's all dunking and shot blocking.  I can't help but think Sean Williams with a bit more height and a lot better attitude.  I hope I'm wrong and he will develop some offense. 

The one bad thing about today's NBA is that young bigs who are one and done don't get to develop offense in college.  Imagine if Ewing left Georgetown after his freshman year.  Would he ever have developed into one of the best shooting big men of all time?  Probably not.

Well, lets take a closer look at that athleticism. He's super quick, and also has great top-end speed as a big guy, he's a quick leaper. THat means he's great in transition, a great asset to have in your center, and he's more than capable of putting it on the floor (for a big), with a powerful and quick first step. Plus, that pterodactyl wingspan.

THat means as a defender not only is he a elite rim protector, he's an elite help-defender, able to cover ground very quickly. That puts his ceiling well above Deandre Jordan's as a defender.

He's also got a great motor, and commitment on the defensive end. That gives him an edge on both Williams (the prospect, obviously sean williams the actual player is a distant thought) and McGee as defenders.

Offensively he is quite limited. He's a good passer for a center, he's a good driver as a center as well, but his lack of a short and midrange jumper are significant hindrances, as well as his lack of overall post skill.

But all that said, he's also only 18 years old, with a great work ethic and willingness to be coached.

Maybe you're right, and he never pans out, but I don't think comparing him only to busts is really accurate. When Tyson Chandler came into the league, he was too skinny, without a post game, and without an overall offensive game. He's now a DPOY and one of the few legitimate max-contract one-way defensive players, due mostly to his elite skills as a defensive anchor and attitude.


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Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2013, 06:47:25 PM »

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The fact of the matter is the Celtics' championships were all won with dominant defensive centers at the helm

Russell, Cowens, Parish, and then KG

Why stop what works. I think Noel could be fantastic for this team assuming his recovery goes as expected.

Unfortunately I dont think Noel is a huge difference maker unless he figures it out on the offensive end.

Russell had Cousy, Cowens had Havlicek and Jo Jo White, Parish had Bird, and KG had Pierce and Allen. 

You can't just take a dominant big and surround him with any old players and expect to win titles.  You need a much more complete team with good to great players at multiple positions. 

Look at the fates of the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, and Thunder this year without their elite level guards in the playoffs. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2013, 07:02:13 PM »

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The fact of the matter is the Celtics' championships were all won with dominant defensive centers at the helm

Russell, Cowens, Parish, and then KG

Why stop what works. I think Noel could be fantastic for this team assuming his recovery goes as expected.

Unfortunately I dont think Noel is a huge difference maker unless he figures it out on the offensive end.

Russell had Cousy, Cowens had Havlicek and Jo Jo White, Parish had Bird, and KG had Pierce and Allen. 

You can't just take a dominant big and surround him with any old players and expect to win titles.  You need a much more complete team with good to great players at multiple positions. 

Look at the fates of the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, and Thunder this year without their elite level guards in the playoffs.

uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2013, 07:12:17 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

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Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2013, 07:15:15 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2013, 07:37:15 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

No, but interior defense was not what needed the most fixing for the Celtics in this year's playoffs. 

Our playoff defense was elite.  Our playoff offense was woeful.  Rondo would have helped the latter immensely.

DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2013, 08:09:33 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

No, but interior defense was not what needed the most fixing for the Celtics in this year's playoffs. 

Our playoff defense was elite.  Our playoff offense was woeful.  Rondo would have helped the latter immensely.

Raymond Felton repeatedly killed us in the playoffs, our defense was definitely not "elite" If we had a big man in the paint to close the lane, Felton would have been a non-factor.

Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2013, 08:13:43 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

No, but interior defense was not what needed the most fixing for the Celtics in this year's playoffs. 

Our playoff defense was elite.  Our playoff offense was woeful.  Rondo would have helped the latter immensely.

Raymond Felton repeatedly killed us in the playoffs, our defense was definitely not "elite" If we had a big man in the paint to close the lane, Felton would have been a non-factor.

By the numbers, our defense against the Knicks was better than the Pacers.'   They never scored more than 90 points against us. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2013, 08:15:50 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

No, but interior defense was not what needed the most fixing for the Celtics in this year's playoffs. 

Our playoff defense was elite.  Our playoff offense was woeful.  Rondo would have helped the latter immensely.

Raymond Felton repeatedly killed us in the playoffs, our defense was definitely not "elite" If we had a big man in the paint to close the lane, Felton would have been a non-factor.

If we had Rondo, Felton would have been a non-factor.
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« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2013, 08:39:00 PM »

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Raymond Felton repeatedly killed us in the playoffs, our defense was definitely not "elite" If we had a big man in the paint to close the lane, Felton would have been a non-factor.

The Celtics held the Knicks to 41.2% shooting.  Only the Heat have given up a lower opponent shooting percentage in the playoffs.
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Re: Celtics interview Nerlens Noel
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2013, 05:30:28 PM »

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If the Celtics could trade Rondo for Noel, it would be a huge improvement.

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« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2013, 05:42:52 PM »

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If the Celtics could trade Rondo for Noel, it would be a huge improvement.

No it wouldn't. It be a step backwards.


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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2013, 05:54:06 PM »

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If the Celtics could trade Rondo for Noel, it would be a huge improvement.

Lol...

Gimme a break!

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« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2013, 06:03:46 PM »

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uhmm...the celtics biggest problem all year was the lack of big men. Sure losing Rondo hurt our chances significantly, but honestly, we were not going to contend with the lineup we had even if Rondo was healthy. We desperately needed a defensive big to help KG.

OKC also got killed because Perk was useless against stopping Gasol and Randolph inside.

How do you know?

was Rondo going to fix our interior defense?

No, but interior defense was not what needed the most fixing for the Celtics in this year's playoffs. 

Our playoff defense was elite.  Our playoff offense was woeful.  Rondo would have helped the latter immensely.

Raymond Felton repeatedly killed us in the playoffs, our defense was definitely not "elite" If we had a big man in the paint to close the lane, Felton would have been a non-factor.

If we had Rondo, Felton would have been a non-factor.
If we had Rondo, Jeff Green might have been a non-factor.

They both need the ball to be effective.

I'd trade Rondo for Noel.  Good way to kick-start a rebuild.