Are we Ready on Green Running Our Offense Next Whole Season 26 to 30pts. a game?

[Josh88]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

[manl_lui]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

he was averaging around 20 ppg during the playoffs. Say for example, PP retires, I won't be surprised if Jeff is our first option, and getting more touches

[Josh88]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

he was averaging around 20 ppg during the playoffs. Say for example, PP retires, I won't be surprised if Jeff is our first option, and getting more touches

So because he averaged 20 PPG over 6 games, a career 13.6 PPG scorer entering his sixth year is suddenly going to average 26-30 PPG over the course of a season? 26 is ludicrous to begin with, but 30?

[moiso]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

he was averaging around 20 ppg during the playoffs. Say for example, PP retires, I won't be surprised if Jeff is our first option, and getting more touches

And defenses will be geared to stopping Green.  That will make it tougher for him. 

[wdleehi]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

he was averaging around 20 ppg during the playoffs. Say for example, PP retires, I won't be surprised if Jeff is our first option, and getting more touches

And defenses will be geared to stopping Green.  That will make it tougher for him.

That the reason my prediction was 18 with a lower shooting %

[rasta1]

We are going to have to get a high volume scorer, it's as simple as that

Else I doubt we'll even reach 75 points/game if pierce and KG aren't here

Someone like Brandon Jennings or Monta Ellis should be looked at. Even if they aren't the best shooters, maybe they'll shoot better with rondo in the fold

[nickagneta]

26-30 PPG? How exactly did you arrive at this figure?

he was averaging around 20 ppg during the playoffs. Say for example, PP retires, I won't be surprised if Jeff is our first option, and getting more touches

He averaged 20 PPG in the playoffs because he was playing 43 minutes per game. No one plays 43 minutes per game in the NBA. If he plays the minutes that the players in the league who led the league in minutes played, about 39 minutes per game, he will average 18 PPG. And I doubt Doc gives him 38 MPG if this team is 100% healthy. He would probably get 34 MPG and that is going to net Green about 16 PPG.

Jeff Green is an inconsistent player. Has been his whole career, even last year. But one thing he has always been consistent at is hanging the same per minute numbers and being a bad rebounder. Those have been his most consistent attributes since joining the league. So the chances of Jeff Green suddenly morphing into something he has never been, is highly unlikely.

[CFAN38]

If KG and PP are gone and he returns healthy I think Sully will be the guy who surprises us on offense. I wouldn't be shocked to see a healthy sully become a 14pt 9rb guy next season.

[ManUp]

No, expecting Jeff to score 26 ppg. is expecting too much.

My expectations for him is 15-18 ppg while shooting efficiently (around 47% or better, around 38% or better from 3), and play great defense against opposing SF's, shooting, be a bit more aggressive on the boards and be consistent. And while everything should still run with Rondo and the pick and rolls, I also expect Jeff to be the go-to scorer if there are broken plays and no time on the shot clock and/or Rajon cant get to his spots on the floor for his shots.

Expecting him to be essentially top 5 (26 per game) in scoring asking too much IMO. Jeff Green is not a Superstar, nor I think he will, but he's a very good player who can drop buckets when needed, but certainly not carry the entire load of the scoring. If he can, then great, but let's not put a very high expectation on Green.

is that enough to take them to playoffs?
what if he got minor injury day-to-day who is your 2nd best scorer now?

If Green is running your offense there will be no play-offs.

[Monkhouse]

Knew it was a Krook thread from the title lol.

As for Green running our offense, I don't mind him being the #2. I was hoping for a stronger shooting guard who can take over to be our #1.

If Green does manage to play 38 minutes which he will I see him averaging 18-20 at the most.

It doesn't matter if teams are geared to guard him... SF are too undersized, and he has long arms. PF are generally too slow to keep up with him.

The only thing is at least this upcoming year, Green knows exactly what hes getting into. Will he morph into an allstar? Maybe. Will his rebounds increase or decrease? Maybe. Will he be consistent? Maybe.

I see him grabbing 4.5 boards next year, with 2.1 APG, and 17-20 PPG.

17-20 PPG is solid, and as long as the bench can contribute, and we have a low post/down low scoring big who can score or separate the defense then we'll have enough offense.

[krook]

if durant james anthony bryant missed a lot of shots, FG's per game don't be surprised if green does the same, even pierce 2-16 FG and green sometimes go much worst 2-20 etc;

and with kg and pierce out
we cannot sign any scorer like iggy reddick ellis jennings j.r. smith...somewhat in that range...
so by trading some of our guards lee terry even bradley and bass + filler it leaves us green and new sg as our scorer but that is still not enough,
if green needs a rest don't expect lee terry t-will running your offense

the 26-30 he can do that but maybe 4 out of 10
17points game per game is a good contribution but with pierce as your starter giving you the same points 17 or 18 or 24 or worst 10 points but....pierce got 10 or 11 rebounds which i can say not even worst at all

[Celtics18]

I'm confused by this whole thread.  There seems to be an assumption that a contender needs to be built on a high volume scorer.  That's simply not the case.  The '04 Pistons, all the Spurs Champions, our '08 Celtics are all examples of team's that weren't led by a 25+ PPG scorer. 

With Rondo as our set up guy, likely raising his scoring averages to 15-16 PPG, Green averaging 18-20, and Sully and Bradley continuing to develop, that's a good start.  By no means, am I claiming that I think that's a title contender as is, but it's a good foundation. 

I don't see any reason to expect Jeff Green to all of a sudden start scoring like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant or Lebron James.  I also don't think that it means that we are in a hopeless situation when he doesn't. 

I do expect Jeff Green to put up 18 to 20 points a game, though, once he becomes a full time starter, playing 36+ minutes per game consistently.  I think asking for more than that is completely out of touch with reality.  Considering our current roster, he'll probably be our top scorer, but there's no way he'll be running the offense.  That job will still fall to our pass first point guard. 

[CFAN38]

I'm confused by this whole thread.  There seems to be an assumption that a contender needs to be built on a high volume scorer.  That's simply not the case.  The '04 Pistons, all the Spurs Champions, our '08 Celtics are all examples of team's that weren't led by a 25+ PPG scorer. 

With Rondo as our set up guy, likely raising his scoring averages to 15-16 PPG, Green averaging 18-20, and Sully and Bradley continuing to develop, that's a good start.  By no means, am I claiming that I think that's a title contender as is, but it's a good foundation. 

I don't see any reason to expect Jeff Green to all of a sudden start scoring like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant or Lebron James.  I also don't think that it means that we are in a hopeless situation when he doesn't. 

I do expect Jeff Green to put up 18 to 20 points a game, though, once he becomes a full time starter, playing 36+ minutes per game consistently.  I think asking for more than that is completely out of touch with reality.  Considering our current roster, he'll probably be our top scorer, but there's no way he'll be running the offense.  That job will still fall to our pass first point guard.

I feel the same way I would love to see the next incarnation of the celtics be modeled after the Billups lead pistons. I think the key to that is finding a 6'5 + scoring 2/3 who either starts over AB or takes the manu ginobli star off the bench role. The next key is finding a defencive anchor or anchors at center. This is one of the reasons im not against DA drafting a project like Gobert or Adams this year. Either of them paired with melo raise the likely hood that we can develop home grown defensive anchor in the mold of tyson chandler.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

No, expecting Jeff to score 26 ppg. is expecting too much.

My expectations for him is 15-18 ppg while shooting efficiently (around 47% or better, around 38% or better from 3), and play great defense against opposing SF's, shooting, be a bit more aggressive on the boards and be consistent. And while everything should still run with Rondo and the pick and rolls, I also expect Jeff to be the go-to scorer if there are broken plays and no time on the shot clock and/or Rajon cant get to his spots on the floor for his shots.

Expecting him to be essentially top 5 (26 per game) in scoring asking too much IMO. Jeff Green is not a Superstar, nor I think he will, but he's a very good player who can drop buckets when needed, but certainly not carry the entire load of the scoring. If he can, then great, but let's not put a very high expectation on Green.

is that enough to take them to playoffs?
what if he got minor injury day-to-day who is your 2nd best scorer now?

Jason Terry. He had a disappointing season for us but his role on our team is to score, he has to be able to. Also, Rondo has to take few more shots and be the second option.

All I'm saying is this, Green can be the GO TO scorer, but he doesnt need to average 26 for us to be contender. Sure we can have plays set up for him. He can be the guy who gets the ball if we need a bucket. But he can't be carrying us offensively, Rajon has to. And by that I mean he sets up teammates for shots, while getting some for his own.

so, will that team make it to playoffs?

If we still have a very good defensive squad, i don't see why not.

We are not like Cleveland and Kyrie who can score 23-26 a game but can't be a force defensively. We may not have a 20 point scorer, but as long as we even out the scoring (18 for Green, 15 and 12 assists for Rondo and a couple more players getting to double digits at around 12-14 a game) coupled with hard nosed defense, we'll make it to the playoffs.

[snively]

I think Green's ceiling as a scorer is Shawn Marion.  Marion's highest ever PPG was 21.8 in 05/06 when he was the de facto center after Amare went down and he was playing 40+mpg in the fastest paced offense in the league.

So no, I don't think Green has the potential to be a 26ppg scorer - too reliant on transition opportunities for his points, too limited in the half-court (no left hand drive, dependent on others to create his 3-point looks for him, among other issues).

I'd put 21 ppg as the most you could ever hope to get from Green, and that would be contingent on playing fast-paced small ball to get the most out of his offensive abilities.