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Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2013, 03:31:26 PM »

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I wouldn't.

I'm more confident in Avery's ability to play a position. This year crushed his reputation, but I thought Avery showed himself to be the prototype for a good complimentary 2 guard.

Brilliant slasher, and I think he's an efficient catch and shoot shooter. With an average ball handler, he can be a really good offensive threat.

My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.
Ideally I would like to see Bledsoe brought here without moving Bradley. Can you picture them "unleashing the hounds" and creating havoc together? Opposing point guards would have nervous break downs.

It'd be crazy to see work, and I think its a distinc possibility. My concern is while they can create 4 turnovers in 40 seconds, they're just as likely to turn the ball over 4 times in 40 seconds.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2013, 03:43:08 PM »

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Yes, I consider AB a trade piece and probably career backup. IMO, it'd be wise to sell high on Bradley. Bledsoe looks like a starter with greater star potential. I don't think Bradley for Bledsoe is fair value for the clippers.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2013, 03:44:56 PM »

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Perhaps if Bledsloe were coming in to run the 2nd unit.  Then again it was a really random thought.
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Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2013, 03:59:27 PM »

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I wouldn't.

I'm more confident in Avery's ability to play a position. This year crushed his reputation, but I thought Avery showed himself to be the prototype for a good complimentary 2 guard.

Brilliant slasher, and I think he's an efficient catch and shoot shooter. With an average ball handler, he can be a really good offensive threat.

My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.
Ideally I would like to see Bledsoe brought here without moving Bradley. Can you picture them "unleashing the hounds" and creating havoc together? Opposing point guards would have nervous break downs.

Eh probably wouldn't be much different than when lee and bradley were starting.

Defense is overrated. Its all about the offense. Offensive players get the bemefit of every simgle call. Wed probably just have a backcourt that was either suffocating defensively or in foul trouble. Theyd prob play the same every game but refs decide to call game difderently every game

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2013, 04:43:21 PM »

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I wouldn't.

I'm more confident in Avery's ability to play a position. This year crushed his reputation, but I thought Avery showed himself to be the prototype for a good complimentary 2 guard.

Brilliant slasher, and I think he's an efficient catch and shoot shooter. With an average ball handler, he can be a really good offensive threat.

My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.

I feel that Kyle Lowry and Ty Lawson were thought of as similar to your current feelings on Bledsoe before they were given the reigns.

I'm slightly more confident in Bledsoe's ability to be a PG in this league than Bradley's ability to be a SG.  I think you were right that Bradley can be a good complementary piece, but I think he needs more than an average ball handler to help him be that.  How would he be paired in a back court with Mike Conley (a player I think to be exactly average at ball handling and overall at the PG position)?  Or Jeff Teague?  I can think of about 10-15 point guards that Bradley would be an excellent pairing with (offensively speaking).  The rest I don't feel that he'd pair well with (offensively)
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Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2013, 07:03:10 PM »

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I would Bledsoe is a better shooter.  He also is better at some defensive stats than Avery too.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html

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My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.

You must hate Bradley then because Bledsoe gets 2 more APG,  and one less foul with only .4 seperating their TOs.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 07:53:40 PM »

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I would Bledsoe is a better shooter.  He also is better at some defensive stats than Avery too.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html

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My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.

You must hate Bradley then because Bledsoe gets 2 more APG,  and one less foul with only .4 seperating their TOs.

That's to be expected though when he was considering Bledsoe as a PG and Bradley as a SG.
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Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2013, 08:06:04 PM »

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My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.
The question is what will Bradley develop into. Because everything you said about Bledsoe here is true about Bradley too.
 
And ultimately, I think it's more likely that Bledsoe will be a legitimate lead guard off the bench than Bradley.
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Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2013, 08:26:19 PM »

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That's to be expected though when he was considering Bledsoe as a PG and Bradley as a SG

Bradley was often running the point this year.   Bledsoe even at PG has a better shooting percentage than our SG Avery.   I think they are very close but Bledsoe seems to be slightly better overall.   I think it is simple he has more confidence in his game.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2013, 08:51:57 PM »

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I wouldn't.

I'm more confident in Avery's ability to play a position. This year crushed his reputation, but I thought Avery showed himself to be the prototype for a good complimentary 2 guard.

Brilliant slasher, and I think he's an efficient catch and shoot shooter. With an average ball handler, he can be a really good offensive threat.

My concern w/ Bledsoe is that he'll never develop into a reliable point guard. He'll always be a hound you unleash to create havoc. But he's too eratic on offense, and doesnt have a good enough shot where Id feel confident giving him the keys.
Ideally I would like to see Bledsoe brought here without moving Bradley. Can you picture them "unleashing the hounds" and creating havoc together? Opposing point guards would have nervous break downs.
Defense is overrated. Its all about the offense. Offensive players get the bemefit of every simgle call. Wed probably just have a backcourt that was either suffocating defensively or in foul trouble. Theyd prob play the same every game but refs decide to call game difderently every game

You can't just blame everything on the refs. Sometimes, those scrappy point guards do reach in. If you look at certain plays from a non-fan of the team perspective, it would be largely different than if you were a fan.

Great ball handling is really underrated.

I like Marcus Smart

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2013, 09:07:14 PM »

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That's to be expected though when he was considering Bledsoe as a PG and Bradley as a SG

Bradley was often running the point this year.   Bledsoe even at PG has a better shooting percentage than our SG Avery.   I think they are very close but Bledsoe seems to be slightly better overall.   I think it is simple he has more confidence in his game.

I don't get this notion that Bradley ran the point after Rondo.  There doesn't have to be a designated point guard if it's not warranted.  Bradley frequently brought the ball up but that was mostly so his teammates didn't have to expend that energy.  As far as making plays for others, that really wasn't his game or something that he was good at. 

Bradley didn't struggle because he played out of position.  He had more turnovers than he otherwise would have but he just simply missed a lot of good open looks.  His offensive "breakthrough" last season mostly consisted of hitting the open jumpers he had missed before.  He went back to missing them for whatever reason.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2013, 09:30:51 PM »

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I wouldn't. They should both be bench guards and I would rather have an All-Defensive defender off the bench rather than an above average-fringe starter in Bledsoe. He's good, no doubt about it, but Bradley's defense is so contagious. I would love Bradley as our 3rd guard.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2013, 10:04:13 PM »

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I don't get this notion that Bradley ran the point after Rondo.  There doesn't have to be a designated point guard if it's not warranted.  Bradley frequently brought the ball up but that was mostly so his teammates didn't have to expend that energy.  As far as making plays for others, that really wasn't his game or something that he was good at.

PG usually bring the ball up the court, trouble is he is a one trick pony.  He can play lights out D, but he is not a PG and one struggles to really call him a SG as his shot is not reliable.  He doesn't have the instincts to play PG.   He has his niche D, he just needs to expand his game to take it the next level.   At some points, he scored nicely, and temper all this with he is a kid, yet, very young.

I would take Bledsoe though over the Bradley of today, who knows about Bradley in three years though.

Re: Would you trade Avery Bradley for Eric Bledsoe?
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2013, 10:11:46 PM »

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I would. Bledsoe's value is MUCH higher than Bradley's. I realize that a Bradley/Rondo backcourt works much better than a Bledsoe/Rondo backcourt, but thats not why you make this deal.

You make this deal to buy low on Bledsoe and be able to give him starting minutes while Rondo is out and flip him for a bigger return or alternatively you bring Bledsoe in to try out for the starting PG positon and if he looks good we trade Rondo for a building block big.

I don't see why the Clippers would be interested in Bradley though, they could get significantly better return flipping him to a PG needy team like Utah.