2013 CB Historical Draft Thread

[ronaldo943]

If anyone wants to chat im available for a bit can give advise and give you some players to think about

[GreenFaith1819]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

[Roy H.]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

[AB_Celtic]

Two questions for Roy or Nick...

1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?

[ronaldo943]

Two questions for Roy or Nick...

1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?

Nor Roy nor Nick but you can select an ABA league but i would go with 20 ppg in nba as there was more competition

[GreenFaith1819]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?

I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.

I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.

[nickagneta]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?

I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.

I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.

Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.

Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.

McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.

Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.

Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.

[GreenFaith1819]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?

I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.

I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.

Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.

Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.

McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.

Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.

Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.

The above bolded is SO true, Nick.

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

[Roy H.]

Two questions for Roy or Nick...

1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?

I think indicated that you can.

I'd tend to go with 20 ppg in the NBA.  However, statistics alone won't be decisive in judging players.

[AB_Celtic]

Two questions for Roy or Nick...

1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?

I think indicated that you can.

I'd tend to go with 20 ppg in the NBA.  However, statistics alone won't be decisive in judging players.

Thanks. Just trying to get a baseline; obviously there's a lot more to consider.

[Donoghus]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?

I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.

I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.

Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.

Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.

McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.

Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.

Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.

The above bolded is SO true, Nick.

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

Probably because Magic Johnson was still available.  It's not necessarily Bill, it's who was still there. 

[Roy H.]

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized.  Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick. 

The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent.  Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on.  I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him.  That's going to cause some debate.

[RebusRankin]

I think its the Walton over Magic pick but I had it Bird, Magic, Kareem, Malone, Erving, Walton. Just one man's opinion and I like all the picks so far, although Washington got a steal at 12 imo.

[GreenFaith1819]

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized.  Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick. 

The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent.  Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on.  I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him.  That's going to cause some debate.

And I passed on Magic for good reason.

I wanted the best available big in this format this year, which isn't plentiful at all.

I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.

By the time the 2nd round ends, there "could" be at least 2 HOFers on every team..if one GM choses, they could have 3.
I just couldn't pass on Bill Walton. I was a bit surprised when Magic fell, but I also was wary of his defense and limitations. I tossed his "star" power out the window, because he won't have Kareem under the basket in this game, and he may not have ______________.

I just think that at the end of this game we will see quite different outcomes that will cause us to realize just how fortunate Larry and Magic were, as far as talent surrounding them.

[nickagneta]

And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.

I think historically, injuries get factored in.  Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.

I can't remember them factoring in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?

Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.

Yep, I'm a panelist.  Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.

In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet.  It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.

Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?

I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.

I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.

Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.

Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.

McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.

Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.

Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.

The above bolded is SO true, Nick.

Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.

Mostly because Magic was still available. You might be 1 out of 100 people that would be in this draft and select Walton over Magic. Doesn't make your selection wrong, just different.