Dennis Schroeder

[ctrey]

This is the guy I am hoping we pick.

The other day I finally got a chance to watch the Portland Hoop Summit game on my DVR. I also started doing more research including getting in touch with my hoops buddies in Germany. (I used to live there, parents still do) I think this the guy we take at 16.

He gives a cheap and improving back up PG, his skills are outstanding. Best speed under control I have seen in ages. He can shoot a ton better than Rondo can right now. In general he is a home run pick. For months I have been hoping we snag a Shooting Guard but I do not see one worth taking at 16 unless by some miracle Kentavious Caldwell-Pope is there when we pick which I really doubt at this point. Additionally none of the bigs at 16 are ever going to start. None of them. We can not waste the 16th pick on a bench player. No way, no how.

I am not saying we pick this guy and deal Rondo. I am saying he his by far the best player most likely available at 16. The fact he fills a need is immaterial.

Schroeder is just a flat out great talent and an awesome upside pick at 16. perfect fit for the Celtics.

[Smitty77]

Impressive find CTrey!!  His highlights were impressive.  I really like how he often banks it high off the glass on layups over bigs!!!

Smitty77

P.S. His assist/turnover ratio is really bad though!!!!

[Boris Badenov]

Draftexpress has him at #18 currently (ignoring team needs).

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dennis-Schroeder-7105/

[clover]

Shhh!  He's become my pick as well.  So young, already so heady, and can shoot, too.  Instead of going with one of the bigs I want Danny to grab this guy, then he could also possibly move Rondo at midseason for a quality big, let this guy grow into starting, and effectively semi-tank his way to the '14 draft.

But don't tell anyone and for Gosh sake, don't start a thread about him on celticsblog!   

[CFAN38]

He definitely has the highest ceiling out of this year PG crop and could be the BPA when the Cs pick. He also a similar athletic profile to AB and Rondo which DA has obviously had luck with in the past.

[Yogi]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

[Boris Badenov]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

[Tr1boy]

pretty good, but not the best.

Has no left hand, so if you play your defense correctly against him, you might be able to neutralize him.

Other than that, everyone is saying that you are seeing Rondo part 2. Which is a good thing and a bad thing. Has a better jump shot than Rondo already, but doesn't have as good leap. At times wild

Safer pick is Shane Larkin

[Yogi]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

What do you mean source?  Like a fortune teller? 

This is the time of the point guard.  After Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Lillard do you think the youngest and quickest point guard with a 6'7 wingspan who has had tremendous success on both sides of the floor at a legit professional league won't be gobbled up?

[Tr1boy]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

What do you mean source?  Like a fortune teller? 

This is the time of the point guard.  After Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Lillard do you think the youngest and quickest point guard with a 6'7 wingspan who has had tremendous success on both sides of the floor at a legit professional league won't be gobbled up?

He has no left hand. Can't dribble with his left for long periods, nor can finish with his left. For a pg this is a huge omission. He is so quick that he can drive at will with his right hand, but in the nba, no way you way you fooling anybody for too long. 

He will go late teens and up imo.

[Yogi]

All that "he has no left hand" doesn't matter.  He is 19 years old.  No one is drafting him to lead them to a championship...  No one thought less of Anthony Davis because he doesn't have a post up game.  It doesn't matter that John Wall couldn't shoot.  You draft because of the player they are going to be not who they are. 

He has prototypical size, quickness, athleticism and high IQ and competitiveness.  That means he has too high a ceiling for any GM worth his salt to pass up unless you can get someone like Noel.

[Yogi]

He also has no mid-range game.  He is an awful shooter inside the arc and has a horrible floater.  All he can do is make lay ups, shoot 3's and run the pick and roll very effectively.  Despite all of his flaws, he is a top 10 talent in this draft without a doubt.  The only way he will fall is if he has buyout/contract issues. 

[Boris Badenov]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

What do you mean source?  Like a fortune teller? 

This is the time of the point guard.  After Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Lillard do you think the youngest and quickest point guard with a 6'7 wingspan who has had tremendous success on both sides of the floor at a legit professional league won't be gobbled up?

By "source" I mean "information, yours or someone else's, telling us something about the opinions of GMs who will be in the 2013 NBA draft."

Just to be clear, you're not saying you think Schroeder will be better than those other guys (which is about your own evaluation of talent). You're saying he will be drafted earlier, which is about how GMs making the decisions evaluate his talent.

Who told you that these GMs feel this way? If the answer is "no one," you're the one claiming psychic powers.

Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress spends nearly all his time evaluating players, talking to other people who do the same thing and talking to people who are involved in the actual draft. Chad Ford at ESPN can claim both expertise and access to NBA sources. These guys make their livings getting information from people who have expertise and the decision-makers themselves - scouts and GMs - about how players are evaluated by the market right now.

You're saying that you know something they don't - that every GM picking in the top 10 values Schroeder higher than they value McCollum and Carter-Williams, and that many teams value him as the #1 point guard over Burke.

This is a serious deviation from what credible "insiders" are saying. I'm just asking you to back up your claim with some information.

[Yogi]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

What do you mean source?  Like a fortune teller? 

This is the time of the point guard.  After Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Lillard do you think the youngest and quickest point guard with a 6'7 wingspan who has had tremendous success on both sides of the floor at a legit professional league won't be gobbled up?

By "source" I mean "information, yours or someone else's, telling us something about the opinions of GMs who will be in the 2013 NBA draft."

Just to be clear, you're not saying you think Schroeder will be better than those other guys (which is about your own evaluation of talent). You're saying he will be drafted earlier, which is about how GMs making the decisions evaluate his talent.

Who told you that these GMs feel this way? If the answer is "no one," you're the one claiming psychic powers.

Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress spends nearly all his time evaluating players, talking to other people who do the same thing and talking to people who are involved in the actual draft. Chad Ford at ESPN can claim both expertise and access to NBA sources. These guys make their livings getting information from people who have expertise and the decision-makers themselves - scouts and GMs - about how players are evaluated by the market right now.

You're saying that you know something they don't - that every GM picking in the top 10 values Schroeder higher than they value McCollum and Carter-Williams, and that many teams value him as the #1 point guard over Burke.

This is a serious deviation from what credible "insiders" are saying. I'm just asking you to back up your claim with some information.

Everything anyone expresses about the draft is opinion.  We won't know what anyone would choose until the draft actually happens.  Two weeks ago none of the mocks even had Dennis Schroeder. 

Furthermore I can guarantee you that the last thing GM's are doing is revealing who they are going to draft to people who publish that information.  Barring injuries or other red flags, after the workout and combines Schroeder has no where to go but up. 

A guy like MCW who can't shoot and is too tall with too small a wingspan to dribble against NBA pressure would be exposed.  McCollum is nice but he is not a true point and a senior coming off of foot surgery playing for a small school. 

I would probably rank Burke and Schroeder as the best point guard prospects.  McCollum is next as a talented scoring point guard with solid intangibles.  Then Myck Kabongo followed by Michael Carter Williams, Eric Green and all the other small guards. 

[Boris Badenov]

If he is available.  He won't be.  He will probably be the first point guard picked, maybe 2nd after Burke.  He won't last past top 10.

Source?

Every mock I've seen has Burke, McCollum and Carter-Williams going before him.

What do you mean source?  Like a fortune teller? 

This is the time of the point guard.  After Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Lillard do you think the youngest and quickest point guard with a 6'7 wingspan who has had tremendous success on both sides of the floor at a legit professional league won't be gobbled up?

By "source" I mean "information, yours or someone else's, telling us something about the opinions of GMs who will be in the 2013 NBA draft."

Just to be clear, you're not saying you think Schroeder will be better than those other guys (which is about your own evaluation of talent). You're saying he will be drafted earlier, which is about how GMs making the decisions evaluate his talent.

Who told you that these GMs feel this way? If the answer is "no one," you're the one claiming psychic powers.

Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress spends nearly all his time evaluating players, talking to other people who do the same thing and talking to people who are involved in the actual draft. Chad Ford at ESPN can claim both expertise and access to NBA sources. These guys make their livings getting information from people who have expertise and the decision-makers themselves - scouts and GMs - about how players are evaluated by the market right now.

You're saying that you know something they don't - that every GM picking in the top 10 values Schroeder higher than they value McCollum and Carter-Williams, and that many teams value him as the #1 point guard over Burke.

This is a serious deviation from what credible "insiders" are saying. I'm just asking you to back up your claim with some information.

Everything anyone expresses about the draft is opinion.  We won't know what anyone would choose until the draft actually happens.  Two weeks ago none of the mocks even had Dennis Schroeder. 

Furthermore I can guarantee you that the last thing GM's are doing is revealing who they are going to draft to people who publish that information.

If GMs aren't revealing to anyone what they're thinking, how can you be so definitive about where Schroeder will be drafted? That is what seems so odd to me.

And while all draft predictions are "opinions" about what GMs are thinking, that doesn't mean that all opinions are equal. I have my own opinions but I would never claim that mine are more well-informed than the opinion of someone who talks to scouts and team sources.