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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »

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George Karl wins COY and Doc Rivers finishes 13th. Some more interesting ranks:

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Top 10 Coach of the Yr voting: 1 Karl, 2 Spoelstra, 3 Woodson, 4 Popovich, 5 Vogel, 6 Hollins, 7 M.Jackson, 8 Thibs, 9 McHale, 10 Carlesimo

12.Vinny Del Negro


Was is accurate on your list of top coaches? Should Doc have finished ahead of Vinny?

  This might be the award where I'd be least able to guess the criteria based on the results. I don't think Spoelstra's a bad coach but I don't think he adds anything as a coach to make Miami better than they'd otherwise be. Also, I think Woodson's a decent coach but "well coached" didn't jump out at me when I saw the Knicks in the playoffs.

I thought Jackson would be higher on the list,but like you, I have no idea what the criteria are for COY.

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2013, 03:25:44 PM »

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Vinny Del Negro? Seriously? He's terrible? Spoelstra number 2? What an awful ranking

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2013, 03:30:38 PM »

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Tough crowd. A winning streak of 27 doesn't merit second place in the COY race, apparently.

I know you can't spell Heat without "hate," but come on.
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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2013, 03:40:25 PM »

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Tough crowd. A winning streak of 27 doesn't merit second place in the COY race, apparently.

I know you can't spell Heat without "hate," but come on.

  It merits any almost unanimously selected MVP, not sure it merits COY.

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 03:43:07 PM »

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Tough crowd. A winning streak of 27 doesn't merit second place in the COY race, apparently.

I know you can't spell Heat without "hate," but come on.

I think because most (myself included) feel like it's because they have the best player in the entire league that's being incredibly efficient and not really Spo's X's and O's. I'm more impressed with what Marc Jackson was able to do with his roster of Rookies and make noise in the West. The Clippers had a 17 game win streak, but I wouldn't put Vinny #3 or top 5.

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2013, 03:46:52 PM »

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Voting for this award every season:

1. Popovich
2. Thibs

3. Everybody else
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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2013, 03:53:52 PM »

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What I find funny, is that there are only 30 coaches in the league, and 14 of them got votes (and it looks like they all got more than 1 vote too).

That would be like over 200 players getting votes for MVP.
No, not really. You only have one coach per team, but all of them are coaching full time. Of the ~450 players in the league, perhaps 100 carry a workload that will make them a reasonable MVP candidates (30+ MPG). So this is similar to ~45 getting MVP votes -- ultimately, 16 did. The discrepancy is not quite as large.
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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2013, 04:11:47 PM »

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What I find funny, is that there are only 30 coaches in the league, and 14 of them got votes (and it looks like they all got more than 1 vote too).

That would be like over 200 players getting votes for MVP.
No, not really. You only have one coach per team, but all of them are coaching full time. Of the ~450 players in the league, perhaps 100 carry a workload that will make them a reasonable MVP candidates (30+ MPG). So this is similar to ~45 getting MVP votes -- ultimately, 16 did. The discrepancy is not quite as large.

And what about all the assistant coaches, etc? If you don't count assistant coaches, you can't count NBA players who don't have a chance at getting MVP votes (all but ~30 players in league)
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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2013, 04:12:09 PM »

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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2013, 04:27:10 PM »

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I am ASSUMING that the post season is NOT factored into this award, correct??  Because there is NOT a more disappointing post-season coach than Karl in the last 10+ years.

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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2013, 04:29:54 PM »

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This isn't a ranking of the best coaches.  It is coach of the year which takes into account (to a large degree) team performance.  There is a difference.

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 04:47:04 PM »

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What I find funny, is that there are only 30 coaches in the league, and 14 of them got votes (and it looks like they all got more than 1 vote too).

That would be like over 200 players getting votes for MVP.
No, not really. You only have one coach per team, but all of them are coaching full time. Of the ~450 players in the league, perhaps 100 carry a workload that will make them a reasonable MVP candidates (30+ MPG). So this is similar to ~45 getting MVP votes -- ultimately, 16 did. The discrepancy is not quite as large.

I don't know man, you decided to filter one pool, but not the other?  Really you can filter numbers anyway you want.  Why only filter players?  I think 4 teams had mid-season coaching changes, only 17 teams finished at or above .500, let's filter those out from the coaches too.  So out of those 100 players (30mpg, can I assume 70+ games?), 80 are getting MVP votes?

Even if we use your numbers, only 10-15 players usually get votes for MVP, and I'd say usually about 10 get multiple votes, and usually 5 or fewer got first place votes.  If 45 players started getting multiple votes with 40 getting first place votes, I'd find that very odd too.

But let's not argue about numbers (you didn't agree with my comparison, eh not the first faulty one I'll make  :) ).  Basically to me it comes down way more coaches got votes then I thought should.  14 coaches got multiple votes, 12 coaches got first place votes.  Practically every coach with a record over .500 got a vote.  I find that weird, as I would think there would be a clearer consensus about who the top 3 coaches were.  Maybe it's a problem with the voting process, the voters, the criteria for the award?  I don't know, but I just find the results weird.

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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2013, 04:53:21 PM »

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not a terrible pick. but jackson was more worthy, in my opinion.

Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2013, 04:55:41 PM »

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Full votes here:

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/05/2013_nba_coach_of_the_year_vot.html

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach            Team           1st    2nd    3rd   Total
George Karl    Denver            62    26    16    404
Erik Spoelstra    Miami            24    17    19    190
Mike Woodson    New York    6    28    13    127
Gregg Popovich    San Antonio    11    16    17    120
Frank Vogel    Indiana    3    11    12    60
Lionel Hollins    Memphis    6    4    13    55
Mark Jackson    Golden State    3    6    14    47
Tom Thobodeau    Chicago    2    7    9    40
Kevin McHale    Houston    1    3    3    17
P.J. Carlesimo    Brooklyn    1    1    0    8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers    1    1    0    8
Larry Drew    Atlanta    1    0    1    6
Doc Rivers    Boston            0    1    1    4
Scott Brooks    Oklahoma City    0    0    3    3
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Re: Doc Finishes 13th in COY voting
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2013, 04:57:40 PM »

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I'm guessing McHale, Carlesimo, Del Negro, and Drew got 1st place votes from their respective beat writers.

I bet the Boston beat writer voted for Thibs, along with Chicago's.
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