I just wanted to clear something up about ACL tears

[RJ87]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

[BballTim]

We had a squirrel in our front yard that was having trouble jumping from tree to tree. Turns out he needed ACL surgery. I wrapped some bailing twine around it and for a couple hours it was like he was brand new. Then the painkillers wore off and our Lab caught him. Didn't end well...

  The trickiest part to operating on a squirrel? Getting him to sign the consent form...

Hey BballTim! We are in agreement for once! (other than current events which we always agreed until they wouldn't let me post in there anymore!)

TP for making me laugh in your post. Was the dog story really true?

  Yes, the "true story" comment was genuine.

[Boris Badenov]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

[BballTim]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

  I wouldn't be surprised if he scrimmaged 3-4 times and started telling Doc he's ready to play.

[lrybrd]

I had ACL surgery back in March 2009 after I completely shredded my ACL and tear my meniscus playing hoop.  I had the Red Sox doctor perform the surgery.  I took my physical therapy seriously and was back playing ball in August 2009 although I did not feel like I was back to 100% until November/December. My concern, if I was Rose, is that he makes a lot of violent movements with his knee (jump stops, etc.).  When he hurt himself, I was thinkng that he would never be the same because he puts so much torque on his knees.   

[European NBA fan]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

[Boris Badenov]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

Is the concern that he will re-injure himself or substantially set back his recovery by playing?

If not, I don't see the argument against playing. If so, it makes sense to wait, since at this point we are so close to the off-season.

[feckless]

They reported the other day that Rose was having muscle memory problems?...leg response time is slow due to nerve damage, I think is what it means>

[fairweatherfan]

They reported the other day that Rose was having muscle memory problems?...leg response time is slow due to nerve damage, I think is what it means>

I wonder if Rose's "muscle memory" issues are just him noticing the diminished ability most players report the first season after a knee injury.  They say you don't get all the way back til the second season (and even then you're usually not quite the same).

Might be especially noticeable for such an explosive player - Rose could be concerned because his body's just not responding quite the same as pre-injury.  Who knows, though.

[Fafnir]

They reported the other day that Rose was having muscle memory problems?...leg response time is slow due to nerve damage, I think is what it means>

I wonder if Rose's "muscle memory" issues are just him noticing the diminished ability most players report the first season after a knee injury.  They say you don't get all the way back til the second season (and even then you're usually not quite the same).

Might be especially noticeable for such an explosive player - Rose could be concerned because his body's just not responding quite the same as pre-injury.  Who knows, though.

That's my wife's read on it too. That he's "healthy" but not the same athlete anymore and can't accept it.

My thought is that he's now gun shy about coming back because he feels coming back for the playoffs after being so banged up in 2011-2012 lead to him tearing up his knee.

[FreeGreen]

These two posts = priceless!  Give each other a TP.

We had a squirrel in our front yard that was having trouble jumping from tree to tree. Turns out he needed ACL surgery. I wrapped some bailing twine around it and for a couple hours it was like he was brand new. Then the painkillers wore off and our Lab caught him. Didn't end well...

  The trickiest part to operating on a squirrel? Getting him to sign the consent form...

[moiso]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

Is the concern that he will re-injure himself or substantially set back his recovery by playing?

If not, I don't see the argument against playing. If so, it makes sense to wait, since at this point we are so close to the off-season.

But he is already playing and has been for a couple of months.  Just not for the benefit of the team.

[Boris Badenov]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

Is the concern that he will re-injure himself or substantially set back his recovery by playing?

If not, I don't see the argument against playing. If so, it makes sense to wait, since at this point we are so close to the off-season.

But he is already playing and has been for a couple of months.  Just not for the benefit of the team.

Yeah, and he's no doubt training too. This is what I'm asking. Is there a concern that going full-speed will somehow put him at risk in a way that rehab and scrimmaging don't?

If not, he should suit up and give it a shot, I think.

[moiso]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

Is the concern that he will re-injure himself or substantially set back his recovery by playing?

If not, I don't see the argument against playing. If so, it makes sense to wait, since at this point we are so close to the off-season.

But he is already playing and has been for a couple of months.  Just not for the benefit of the team.

Yeah, and he's no doubt training too. This is what I'm asking. Is there a concern that going full-speed will somehow put him at risk in a way that rehab and scrimmaging don't?

If not, he should suit up and give it a shot, I think.

I agree.  Even if he plays 20min off the bench.  There are a lot of guys playing through injuries right now.  And Rose really isn't injured anymore.  Maybe a step slower and not confident, but the injury is healed.

[European NBA fan]

  I'd say Rondo's position might be similar to Rose's up until close to the time the doctors clear them to play, then their paths probably diverge wildly.

TP.  A full year like Rose is taking is very rare nowadays.  This isn't the Bernard King era. 

The thing that is crazy to me is that Rose has been scrimmaging for months- the exact same activity that he won't perform in front of a crowd.  I'm sure Rondo will scrimmage for a couple weeks to get his legs under him after he's cleared, then he will begin playing in actual games.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is ready pretty close to the start of the regular season.

Rose seems to be having issues with the mental aspect and I won't judge him for that. Its hard, once you deal with a significant injury you lose trust in your body to be able to do the things you're used to it doing. It just sucks for Rose because the last phase if his rehab until he plays in a game.

Have we heard any inside info out of the Bulls camp? If he's participating fully in practices, it seems like something should have leaked out about his performance.

Late in March it was reported that he looked ready to go.

My guess is that he had to make a difficult choice: Continue to play like he has done in the past and risk to be out of the league much too soon (his bad health last season is an indication, that he couldn't last long), or change his game. And if he chose the latter, it makes sense that he - and the team - isn't ready yet.

Is the concern that he will re-injure himself or substantially set back his recovery by playing?

If not, I don't see the argument against playing. If so, it makes sense to wait, since at this point we are so close to the off-season.

But he is already playing and has been for a couple of months.  Just not for the benefit of the team.

Yeah, and he's no doubt training too. This is what I'm asking. Is there a concern that going full-speed will somehow put him at risk in a way that rehab and scrimmaging don't?

If not, he should suit up and give it a shot, I think.

I hadn't read about the possible muscle memory problems when I posted. To me it makes sense that he won't play if his body doesn't respond the way he wants it to. Not only will it limit his explosive style, but he would risk getting hurt trying to play like before the injury. So maybe it's rather the opposite of what I suggested: That he wants to be able to play in his usual style, before he enters a real game.