Jeff Green 2014 Most Improve Player?

[krook]

what do we expect from jeff green as our offense contributor if pierce was gone
i see him as 18 points to 27 points a game? agree?
maybe 4 rebounds a game
3 or 2 steals
1 or 2 blocks

and if pierce come back as a bench player back-up of green, can he be 6th man of the year?

[Onslaught]

You don't have what I expect for him. Some night's he'll put up big numbers and other nights he'll be a soft joke.

[Who]

16-17ppg and 6rpg as starting SF if Pierce leaves. I would expect lower scoring numbers normally (14ppg) except this roster will probably be very weak offensively so Green should get a increased opportunities.

Harder to pin down expectations if Pierce stays. Especially if used as bench player without knowing how the roster will change. Will J.Green's playing time at (backup) PF be cut by big man additions? More time in big wing combos with Pierce? Does he start at SG alongside Pierce or does Bradley stay as starting SG once Rondo returns?

If J.Green where to start at PF next year, I would expect 18-21ppg and 6-7rpg.

[kgainez]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

[ManUp]

19 points per game, 6 rebounds, 2 assists a block and a steal.

[Boris Badenov]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

[KGs Knee]

I'd be plenty happy if Green has averages of 35mpg/18ppg/6rpg next season.  Well worth $9m.

Doubt that is enough to earn MIP, though.

[bfrombleacher]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

[PhoSita]

Green will probably average something along the lines of his per-36 numbers this season, only with a couple more points.

Something like 17.5-18 points, 5 rebounds, a block and a steal.

[LarBrd33]

You don't have what I expect for him. Some night's he'll put up big numbers and other nights he'll be a soft joke.

That's unfair.  He was arguably our most consistent player post all-star...

29 games:   33.5 minutes, 17.3 points, 5 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1 steal, 1.1 block 49%/44%/80%

6 Playoff games: 43.2 minutes, 20.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.3 steal, 0.7 blocks 44%/46%/84% 

He's what I always said he was... solid scorer and fringe star who can average 16-19 points if given the minutes and touches.  Solid starter, but will never be an all-star.  He's been this pretty much his entire career... all that changes is his role.  These are pretty much the same numbers he put up in Seattle/OKC in the rare games Durant missed (but he'd usually average more boards)

This was my comments on Jeff Green in Feb 2011:

I think Jeff Green is a stud.  I think he's a stud getting overshadowed by a couple phenoms in OKC.  Green is a SF who has been forced to play PF in OKC.  I was curious how he's produced in games when Durant was out with injuries.  My hunch was that he would have produced some big numbers.  Unfortunately, Durant doesn't miss a ton of games.  In the last 3 years since Durant has been a "star", there has only been 7 games in which Jeff Green got to play without him.     

Jeff Green's stats:


08-09 season:

L 11/12/08 - 25 points, 10 rebounds, (7-18 shooting)
L 2/27/09 - 28 points, 12 rebounds, (9-20 shooting)
W 2/28/09 - 27 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists (8-20 shooting)
W 3/10/09 - 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists (6-13 shooting)
L 3/11/09 - 19 points, 7 rebounds (5-12 shooting)
 

10-11 season:
W 12/1/10 -  37 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists (12-21 shooting)
L 12/3/10 - 17 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists (6-14 shooting)


So in 7 games he's managed to average 25 points, 7.7 rebounds 45% shooting ... Worth noting?

I think the guy ends up being a fringe all-star in the post-"Big 3" lotto Celtics era.

[Boris Badenov]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

OK. Anyone else want to guess?

[Atzar]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

OK. Anyone else want to guess?

Top four or five.  I know for a fact that Melo, Durant and LeBron hit those marks, and I'm pretty sure Kobe did.  I can't think of anybody else... there are a few (like Westbrook) who scored enough but I don't think they hit the rebounding mark.

But yeah, pretty safe to say Green isn't hitting those numbers.

[ejk3489]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

OK. Anyone else want to guess?

Well if basketball-reference is accurate, the only player to average those numbers or better last year was Kevin Durant...and only 20 players have in the past 10 years.

http://bkref.com/tiny/USWEZ

[kgainez]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

OK. Anyone else want to guess?

Top four or five.  I know for a fact that Melo, Durant and LeBron hit those marks, and I'm pretty sure Kobe did.  I can't think of anybody else... there are a few (like Westbrook) who scored enough but I don't think they hit the rebounding mark.

But yeah, pretty safe to say Green isn't hitting those numbers.

as a starter this year he avgd
20.1 ppg/5.9 rebounds/2.9 assists/1.1 blocks in 35.6 min
per 36 for the entire year he's at
16.6/5.1/2.0/1.1 blocks
without PP and KG we can assume he'd have a larger role....and I'm only asking him to do the things he's done already...
what are you guys talking about?

[Boris Badenov]

i say 20-25ppg, 4-7 reb, 2 assists, 1 block
as a starter, i'd be cool with that

Taking the midpoints of your ranges, that would be 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2 ast and 1 block per game.

Off the top of your head can you name the list of players that averaged those numbers or better in every category last year?

Top 20 players.

OK. Anyone else want to guess?

Top four or five.  I know for a fact that Melo, Durant and LeBron hit those marks, and I'm pretty sure Kobe did.  I can't think of anybody else... there are a few (like Westbrook) who scored enough but I don't think they hit the rebounding mark.

But yeah, pretty safe to say Green isn't hitting those numbers.

as a starter this year he avgd
20.1 ppg/5.9 rebounds/2.9 assists/1.1 blocks in 35.6 min
per 36 for the entire year he's at
16.6/5.1/2.0/1.1 blocks
without PP and KG we can assume he'd have a larger role....and I'm only asking him to do the things he's done already...
what are you guys talking about?

Are you also projecting him to shoot 52% from 3-point land and 52% overall, as he did in those 17 games as a starter?

If you had said 16-18 ppg and kept the other numbers the same, I'd be more inclined to agree with your projection. (He would have averaged closer to 18 as a starter if he'd had shooting percentages closer to his season averages instead of those higher numbers.)

But, to answer my earlier question, the only player to match all of those numbers last year was Durant. Lebron was close.

And even if you just focus on scoring, there were only seven players in the entire league who scored 22.5 points or more. Those players were Carmelo, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Westbrook and Curry.

At "20-25" points per game you'd be expecting Green to not only replace Pierce, but exceed his scoring (18.6) by a substantial margin - to the point of being one of the elite scorers in the league.

Now, even if Green only averaged 17 or so ppg and kept the other numbers the same, he'd be good - an above-average starting SF, which is how he played in the second half of this past season. I'd personally be ecstatic if he could sustain that level of play.