Adrian Wojnarowski : The end of the KG era

[AB_Celtic]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

[badshar]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

  I could easily see him taking the current team to the ecf, the supporting cast would be clearly superior to what he had to work with last year.

So you are saying Rondo > KG and Pierce combined? You are saying that Rondo can duplicate KG's defense, Pierce's clutchness, their experience, their scoring etc.?

[badshar]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

Yeah, well, our goal shouldn't be a 40-win team every year and just make it to the playoffs instead of winning a championship.

Our goal should be to win a championship and I still believe we can win it all next year with KG and Pierce on the team if injuries don't bug us and we add some effective players that take load off of KG and Pierce.

[badshar]

I'm going to miss KG. I think it'd be difficult not to miss him.

Winter is coming.

Or, why not ask PP to really restructure. Say as low as 5-7 a year for two years? KG gave us a discount why not PP?
I'm not a cap guy, but would this be enough room to perhaps add a decent big, a guy who is near 7 foot and can play with KG and also play center when he isn't in? A HEALTHY roster of a new big, KG, PP, Green, Rondo, Bradley, Bass(who I think is UNDERRATED), Sullinger, 16th pick, Terry, Lee?

I suppose we don't have the cap room but its obvious why folks call for Al Jeff. We need a big and a reliable offensive guy. Al does both and rebounds

can't do that , if we buy out PP he can't resign with the c's for a year .

Restructuring and buying out are very different. Doubt it happens though but it is technically possible

no it isn't , you can't restructure PP'S contract, he can only play for the celtics if he is making 15 mil next season .

He has a buyout option for 5 mil

Well I don't know who is right but there have been articles suggesting he can be restructured. I'll guess your right and its not possible. In that case the problems are he isn't worth 15 and we can't get anyone as good for 5-8, AND that KG probably goes too, and he is a bargain. It's a mess on the surface

Officially he can't be restructured. Pierce however does have an ETO that he can enact which will allow us to resign him at a lower price

If he has an ETO option, then why hasn't it been discussed?
If I remember correctly, didn't Pierce use the ETO option in 2010 too and sign a contract for lesser money?

[AB_Celtic]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

Yeah, well, our goal shouldn't be a 40-win team every year and just make it to the playoffs instead of winning a championship.

Our goal should be to win a championship and I still believe we can win it all next year with KG and Pierce on the team if injuries don't bug us and we add some effective players that take load off of KG and Pierce.

40-win team =/= embarrassment. You're being pretty inconsistent with your expectations.

[LooseCannon]

Officially he can't be restructured. Pierce however does have an ETO that he can enact which will allow us to resign him at a lower price

If he has an ETO option, then why hasn't it been discussed?
If I remember correctly, didn't Pierce use the ETO option in 2010 too and sign a contract for lesser money?

Pierce can't possibly have an ETO since you can only have one after the fourth year of a contract and Pierce has just finished the third year of his current contract.

[badshar]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

Yeah, well, our goal shouldn't be a 40-win team every year and just make it to the playoffs instead of winning a championship.

Our goal should be to win a championship and I still believe we can win it all next year with KG and Pierce on the team if injuries don't bug us and we add some effective players that take load off of KG and Pierce.

40-win team =/= embarrassment. You're being pretty inconsistent with your expectations.

Where did I say 40 win team is embarrassing?

I said if we set our goal to be a 40 win team, then we shouldn't expect a championship ever.

[aporel#18]

KG is a Celtic for life. I want him back as a player, coach, GM, whatever...

Get it done, Danny

[AB_Celtic]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

Yeah, well, our goal shouldn't be a 40-win team every year and just make it to the playoffs instead of winning a championship.

Our goal should be to win a championship and I still believe we can win it all next year with KG and Pierce on the team if injuries don't bug us and we add some effective players that take load off of KG and Pierce.

40-win team =/= embarrassment. You're being pretty inconsistent with your expectations.

Where did I say 40 win team is embarrassing?

I said if we set our goal to be a 40 win team, then we shouldn't expect a championship ever.

All I'm saying is that your original post was a little harsh. I don't think any team with Rondo will be "nothing but an embarrassment."

[badshar]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

I never said we'd win. I was just challenging your statement that we'd suck for 10 years. I think any team with Rondo and some average scorers will be a 40-win team at minimum.

Yeah, well, our goal shouldn't be a 40-win team every year and just make it to the playoffs instead of winning a championship.

Our goal should be to win a championship and I still believe we can win it all next year with KG and Pierce on the team if injuries don't bug us and we add some effective players that take load off of KG and Pierce.

40-win team =/= embarrassment. You're being pretty inconsistent with your expectations.

Where did I say 40 win team is embarrassing?

I said if we set our goal to be a 40 win team, then we shouldn't expect a championship ever.

All I'm saying is that your original post was a little harsh. I don't think any team with Rondo will be "nothing but an embarrassment."

Tell me one thing. We want to get rid of Pierce and KG because we think they won't win us a banner anymore, but we are ready to consistently lose in the playoffs (if we make it) and still not win a banner?

So championship has nothing to do with us wanting KG and Pierce to go then?

[BballTim]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

"You forgetting someone?"

No I am not. I am a big Rondo fan and I was one those who didn't want to trade him for Chris Paul, but Rondo is not LeBron who can single-handedly take his team far into the playoffs. Sure Rondo steps up his game, but a team with just Rondo will be just like a team with one superstar, like it used to be before the superteams began to come forward.

In this league, you need MULTIPLE superstars to win. You can't do it alone, unless you are playing a team like the Bobcats every game.

  I could easily see him taking the current team to the ecf, the supporting cast would be clearly superior to what he had to work with last year.

So you are saying Rondo > KG and Pierce combined? You are saying that Rondo can duplicate KG's defense, Pierce's clutchness, their experience, their scoring etc.?

  There was absolutely nothing in my post comparing Rondo to PP or KG. But obviously they can't duplicate what he does either. I'm not sure what you're asking.

[TripleOT]

Wojo is claiming that KG will be a part owner of the T Wolves. If the Cs move on from Pierce, would KG agree to get traded back to Minny, to backbone that team's defense for two years and help Love get some wins in so he doesn't opt out of Minnesota?

Maybe something like KG and Lee for AK, Derrick Williams, Ridnour and a pick? AK would have to opt into his last year at around $10m. Not the greatest package for KG, but it's more than they would get for him if he retires. 

Or if KG waives his no trade, they can trade him tot he Clipeprs for that Jordan, Bledsoe package.  The Cs could pay Pierce his $5m to go away, and Paul could sign with the Clips on the cheap, playing his final years in his hometown.  Or the Cs could work a trade with a third team where Pierce goes to the Clippers, Butler and scraps and picks go to a third team under the cap, and the Cs get some assets back for Pierce.  Or the Cs send PP to a team for $15m of players, and he gets bought out and signs for the Clips. 

A team of CP3, PP, Crawford, Griffin, and KG, with a healthy Billips, Barnes, and a couple of quality vetmin ring chasers, could contend for two years.   

[gpap]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

Oh give me a break. I've enjoyed our playoff runs in the last few seasons.

But let's also look at the facts. Last year the Celts had a chance to go to the finals and blew it. This year, they couldn't get out of the first round. Is that not saying something?

Change is inevitable with everything and that is the case with the Celtics.

[badshar]

If Pierce and KG really do leave, then we can all get ready to cheer for a team that will suck for the next 10 years and will be nothing but an embarrassment.

Oh give me a break. I've enjoyed our playoff runs in the last few seasons.

But let's also look at the facts. Last year the Celts had a chance to go to the finals and blew it. This year, they couldn't get out of the first round. Is that not saying something?

Change is inevitable with everything and that is the case with the Celtics.

No, it is not saying something. You are completely ignoring that our complete core (Rondo, KG, Pierce) was playing last year. You say we had a change to make the playoffs, yet Pierce, Allen, Stiemsma and Pietrus were all injured. Bradley, Green, Wilcox etc. weren't even playing and the rest of the bench was nonexistent (it scored a combined two points in game 7).

This year, we had a complete team with a much better bench that was actually producing but one of our core players, Rondo, wasn't even playing. The only thing this year proved was how much valuable Rondo is to this team.

You completely ignored Rondo. They couldn't make it out of first round because one of our best players, Rondo, wasn't even playing. If you take Rondo out of the Celtics, obviously they won't do good. Just like if you take LeBron out of the Heat, Durant out of Thunder, CP3 out of Clippers, Kobe out of Lakers etc.
None of those teams will do as well without their best or one of the best players.

If you are going to just start ignoring the most obvious things to try to prove your decision, then I can alter the reality to prove my point too.

Its like taking a² out of the Pythagorean Theorem (a²+b²=c²)

[Tr1boy]

2 situation options that is going to drive Danny crazy for the next few months

1) Bring back PP, excite KG to continue his contract for another year, Rondo and Sully comeback healthy, get rid of Lee, Crawford, Shav, White and retool the team strategically.

I mean smart, like bring in a 3 point specialist, another hard nosed pf/c that is willing to do the dirty work, and another talent that has little trouble creating their own shots.

Worse case, if the celtics are only mediocre, you trade Pierce at the trade deadline for anything worthwhile you can get. A young prospect, 2 early 2nd round picks, whatever you can get. Maybe even entice KG to waive his no trade clause, and have him go west to play for a contender and closer to his home.  Unless we have one of the top 4 spots secured (and maybe up to 6th spot depending how far away from 4th) we just can't let it be like this year , get eliminated in the 1st round and lose out on a high draft pick.

2) Just flat out bite the bullet and rebuild. Goodbye to Pierce, KG then retires or gets traded and hope for the best for the 2014 draft.