Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul

[BballTim]

Paul is still the best PG in the NBA.


Take Paul of NO, lotto team.


Add him to the lotto team in LA, playoffs. 



Take Rondo off playoff Celtics (well Rondo and Ray Allen), still the playoffs Celtics. 




Rondo is still a top 5 PG.

  Imagine how our team would have looked in the playoffs without Jeff Green this year. The team you'd have left over, which would have set more records for offensive ineptness than they did in the series, is probably better than the group that Rondo took to within a game of the finals last year.

Of course the Celtics would be better with Rondo.



And would have probably been even better with Paul because he could have both run the offense as well as Rondo and been the 1st option.

  If he could run the offense as well as Rondo and be the 1st option all of his fans would be touting his playoff victories instead of explaining why they've never come to pass.

He has never had the rest of the offense around him.

Why else would he had wanted KG so much at the deadline?  He wanted better teammates.

  Again, take the leading scorer off of the Celts team who's offense was deplorably bad when playing a mediocre defense you'd still have better offense than what Rondo had to work with last year.

When KG averages 19.2 points a game?


And the Celtics had 5 guys averaging double digits?


Where Paul had Griffin and Mo Williams?


And this year, Griffin couldn't even stay on the court so he had Matt Barnes.

  That's the one. When Rondo assisted about half of KG's baskets and the shots he was getting were much better looks than what he was getting this year. When the defenses we faced had, on average, a DRtg 6 points better than the Knicks team we faced (with Green going for about 20 a game) yet our ORtg against those top defenses was about 8 points higher. The team where Rondo scored or assisted 54% of all of our baskets and *63%* of the baskets we scored when he was on the court. That team.

[BballTim]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

  I don't think you've been arguing another pg is better as much as you've been claiming that Rondo played a smaller role in our postseason success than I'd say that he did.

[EJPLAYA]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

[nickagneta]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

Kind of agree. I love me some Rondo but I would trade him for CP3 in a heartbeat. I do think though that playoff Rondo is really probably an equal player to CP3. Thing is, you only get playoff Rondo sporadically throughout the regular season.

[BballTim]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

  Do the trade and have CP3 outplay LeBron for a playoff series and then you could start to make your claim.

[gpap]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

Lol, exactly. There is a reason why Ainge has been rumored to have been enamored with CP3's abilities and looking to deal Rondo for quite a while now.

[kg is king]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

[gpap]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

  Do the trade and have CP3 outplay LeBron for a playoff series and then you could start to make your claim.

I don't remember there being a series where Rondo outplayed Lebron. When did this happen and where was I?

[wdleehi]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

  I don't think you've been arguing another pg is better as much as you've been claiming that Rondo played a smaller role in our postseason success than I'd say that he did.

You mean I don't agree that Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics to the finals?


Or that I actually said Rondo is a top 5 pg and that the team would have been better in the playoffs with him?

[BballTim]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

  I don't think you've been arguing another pg is better as much as you've been claiming that Rondo played a smaller role in our postseason success than I'd say that he did.

You mean I don't agree that Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics to the finals?


Or that I actually said Rondo is a top 5 pg and that the team would have been better in the playoffs with him?

  I suppose the issue is that you can't distinguish the difference "Rondo led the Celtics" from "Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics".

[EJPLAYA]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

  Do the trade and have CP3 outplay LeBron for a playoff series and then you could start to make your claim.

When Rondo plays the SF/PF spot then you can claim Rondo outplayed Lebron. They don't play the same position. That's like saying Felton just outplayed KG in our recent series. Apples and Oranges.

I know it isn't a perfect stat, however 26.43 per for CP3, 18.12 for Rondo. That's a major difference.

I'll take CP3's complete game over Rondo's anyway. Especially when CP3 doesn't take games off all the time. You don't build around a guy who thinks it is okay to not give his best everytime he is out there.

[BballTim]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

  By the same token if you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans, to choose the best player on the Celts since 2009 or so I can guarantee that they'd choose Rondo. Does that mean anything in the discussions here?

[wdleehi]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

  I don't think you've been arguing another pg is better as much as you've been claiming that Rondo played a smaller role in our postseason success than I'd say that he did.

You mean I don't agree that Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics to the finals?


Or that I actually said Rondo is a top 5 pg and that the team would have been better in the playoffs with him?

  I suppose the issue is that you can't distinguish the difference "Rondo led the Celtics" from "Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics".

Sure I can. 


I can also tell how they are the same.


Both are false.

[BballTim]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

  Do the trade and have CP3 outplay LeBron for a playoff series and then you could start to make your claim.

When Rondo plays the SF/PF spot then you can claim Rondo outplayed Lebron. They don't play the same position. That's like saying Felton just outplayed KG in our recent series. Apples and Oranges.

  So you're saying that if I said that LeBron outplayed Ray Allen in the 2012 playoffs you'd tell me that I can't make that claim because they don't play the same position? Too funny.

[BballTim]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

  I don't think you've been arguing another pg is better as much as you've been claiming that Rondo played a smaller role in our postseason success than I'd say that he did.

You mean I don't agree that Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics to the finals?


Or that I actually said Rondo is a top 5 pg and that the team would have been better in the playoffs with him?

  I suppose the issue is that you can't distinguish the difference "Rondo led the Celtics" from "Rondo has been some sort of "play off god" leading the poor, under talented Celtics".

Sure I can. 


I can also tell how they are the same.


Both are false.

  Inaccurate, but funny nonetheless.