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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2013, 02:30:27 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2013, 01:57:25 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

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I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?
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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2013, 02:07:15 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

AMEN

I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?

  Aside from Rondo?

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2013, 02:15:11 PM »

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That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

Of course he has. People just underrate him because he doesn't score a lot of points every game, because people are stupid enough to think scoring is the only way to lead a team in basketball.

Think about it this way. Lebron scores 24.5 points per game, plus 6.8 assists (which is another 13 points per game). So Lebron generates approximately 37 points per game for his team's offense.

Rondo only scores 13 or 14 points per game, but also gets 11 or 12 assists. So he is generating approximately 35 to 36 points per game for the C's offense.

A) nice job not quite calling me stupid. That's clever, right there.


I'll give you a great stat for what we're trying to look at: Usage rate. Since you're not stupid, I'm not going to bother explaining usage rate to you, but I will say that it's a much better indicator of being a first option than assists + points.

Here you go:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=rondora01&y1=2012&p2=jamesle01&y2=2013&p3=hardeja01&y3=2013&p4=paulch01&y4=2013&p5=rosede01&y5=2012#advanced::none


If KG and Pierce retire in this off season and Rondo comes back healthy from his ACL tear, we'll see how far he can take the team as it's undisputed best player.

  Usage is a better stat for what you're trying to look at but you're completely missing his point. In the 2012 playoffs Rondo scored or assisted almost as many total points per game as LeBron, and the highest percentage of his team's points of anyone in that postseason. You're saying scoring points is the only measure of how much offense a player creates. That's not really true.

  This year we had 6 playoff games and we scored 31 or less in a half 4 times. I don't think that happened at all last year with Rondo playing. Also, look at what happened to KG's offense in this year's playoffs compared to last year's. It's not that he can't shoot anymore, it's that the player that assisted half his baskets in last year's playoffs was wearing a suit to the games.

I agree with your second paragraph. And I like Rondo, and have no desire to trade him/ship him out.

But, just for fun, let's do that math on Chris Paul's season this year and Rondo's season last year, when it "became clear that Rondo was the best player."

CP: 16.9 points, 9.7 Assists, 48% from the field, 88% from the line.
RR: 11.9 points, 11.7 Assists, 44% from the field,59% from the line

Using the basic equation from above: Chris Paul more points (through points and assists) to his team during the regular season.


BUT WAIT!

We're Celtics fans. We know Rondo coasts through the regular season.

So let's use the playoffs, CP3 from this season and RR from the last, when both of them were playing at a high level as the guy who makes the offense go. No regular season coasting here!

Chris Paul: 22.8 points, 6.3 assists, 53% from the field, 89% from the line.


Rajon Rondo:17.4 points, 11.9 assists, 46% from the field, 69% from the line.

Using the equation from above. Rondo is responsible for more points during the playoffs.

So, as of last year, Rondo can be better than Chris Paul, if your sample size is the post season. And Chris Paul can be better than Rondo, if your sample size is the regular season (and this holds up across both of their careers).

Moving forward, I hope Rondo can keep his excellence up without KG and Pierce.
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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 02:15:25 PM »

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How many times has all these supposedly better than Rondo pointguards taken their teams to their conference finals not yet to the finals, not yet win the title?  None.  Rondo's done all of that.  He's won us numerous games in the postseason and has single handely taken us really far in the playoffs.  He was just as important as the big three ever was and maybe even more.  This year, we saw how the team was in the postseason without him.  It was very shocking to see a very hot Clippers team get bounced in the first round.  How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

To me, this argument should've been killed long time ago.  Rondo is the best pointguard in the league.  He's got the records and the title to prove it.  There shouldn't even be an argument about that at this point.

Build the team around him.  Why would you even think about trading such a talent, one that grew up under KG?

Congratulations, OP, your NBA point guard boyfriend is Tony Parker

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2013, 02:16:19 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

AMEN

I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?

  Aside from Rondo?

The NBA finals. He certainly didn't in 2010.
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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 02:18:25 PM »

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Not getting into this debate......but Chris Paul is an overrated fraud who is on the verge of quitting on another franchise, doesn't get along with Blake Griffin and should've, if he's as good as people make him to he made the finals in the wide open west this season, I know his apologist now use revisionist history to make it seem like the clippers sucked and it was the coaches fault...lol

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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 02:19:29 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

AMEN

I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?

  Aside from Rondo?


When did Rondo carry the Celtics to the Finals?

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 02:20:05 PM »

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Rondo was the 4th best player on championship team. He's currently the best player on a bad team. So any argument about him 'carrying' one is not exactly flattering to Rajon. The more he's led, the worse they've gotten. 

Meanwhile, comparing things Chris Paul is doing now to stuff Rondo did in 2008 while he has a torn ACL in 2013 is a total waste of time.

Rondo's a great player. But he's a player that needs a lot of nice compliments to bring out his greatness. The day he becomes your #1 option is the day you embrace repeated trips to Secaucus.

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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 02:21:51 PM »

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Rondo was the 4th best player on championship team. He's currently the best player on a bad team. So any argument about him 'carrying' one is not exactly flattering to Rajon. The more he's led, the worse they've gotten. 

Meanwhile, comparing things Chris Paul is doing now to stuff Rondo did in 2008 while he has a torn ACL in 2013 is a total waste of time.

Rondo's a great player. But he's a player that needs a lot of nice compliments to bring out his greatness. The day he becomes your #1 option is the day you embrace repeated trips to Secaucus.

He'd do just as much with the clippers roster as Chris fraud did...

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 02:22:35 PM »

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Not getting into this debate......but Chris Paul is an overrated fraud who is on the verge of quitting on another franchise, doesn't get along with Blake Griffin and should've, if he's as good as people make him to he made the finals in the wide open west this season, I know his apologist now use revisionist history to make it seem like the clippers sucked and it was the coaches fault...lol

Bye

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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2013, 02:23:43 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

AMEN

I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?

  Aside from Rondo?
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Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2013, 02:33:30 PM »

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Not getting into this debate......but Chris Paul is an overrated fraud who is on the verge of quitting on another franchise, doesn't get along with Blake Griffin and should've, if he's as good as people make him to he made the finals in the wide open west this season, I know his apologist now use revisionist history to make it seem like the clippers sucked and it was the coaches fault...lol

Bye

That's cute. The kids table is to the left.

Is it just me, or are things a little chippier in here than usual?

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2013, 02:34:42 PM »

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Rondo was the 4th best player on championship team. He's currently the best player on a bad team. So any argument about him 'carrying' one is not exactly flattering to Rajon. The more he's led, the worse they've gotten. 

  The 'carrying' argument is pretty unflattering to Rondo if you think that the team's gotten worse because he's leading it, not because the other key players are significantly worse than they used to be. Rondo was the 4th best player on a championship team and the best player on a team that went to the finals and also the best player on a team that went to the ecf. Talk all you want about this being a bad team, aside from missing Rondo it's clearly better than the team he took to within a game of the finals last year.

Re: Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2013, 02:35:22 PM »

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cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

AMEN

I didn't realize that the playoffs were one-on-one.

Let's be realistic here--how many point guards have carried their teams to the Finals, let alone a championship?

  Aside from Rondo?


Who has never carried the Celtics to the Finals. 


He has been a player on Celtics teams that went to the Finals, but never came close to carrying them.