Give me your offseason plan...get creative but keep it realistic

[LarBrd33]

Whatever they do this place will be full of mad people who think they could do better.

I've only been mad at Danny Ainge twice... First time was when he traded the #5 pick in the 2007 draft for a 32 year old shooting guard on gimpy ankles.  I threw a total fit.  I've never been more enraged... you absolutely do NOT give up top 5 picks.  They are GOLD.  ANd certainly not for a 32 year old shooting guard on gimpy ankles.  That was INSANE.  Just a disgustingly stupid move.  Simply adding Ray Allen to Paul Pierce (a couple top-30 players) does nothing to improve your title chances.

...

Then he traded the half the team for Kevin Garnett (superstar top 5 player at the time) and it all made sense.... Hello 3 year window!

...

The second time I was mad at Ainge was during the trade deadline last year.  We either needed to dump Pierce and Ray for assets or luck into a legitimate big man to play center next to KG.   There was no alternative.  You either blow it up for the future or find the piece that can make you a contender.   When the deadline came and went without a trade (we tried hard to move Pierce and Ray, but it fell through), I was absolutely distraught.   Of course, that TECHNICALLY worked out as well, because KG ended up filling the center role and thanks to some lucky playoff draws (Horford-less Atlanta and 8th seed Philly), we got a fun little series against Miami in the ECF. 

I have faith in Ainge. He knows what he's doing.


FYI, if Ainge listens to some of these fans and builds a team around Josh Smith and Rajon Rondo, it'll be just as dumb as the theoretical Pierce/Ray Allen foundation.   Having a couple top 30 players is nice, but unless you have a top 5 superstar to lead them, it's not producing a contender. 

[BleedGreen1989]

Whatever they do this place will be full of mad people who think they could do better.

I've only been mad at Danny Ainge twice... First time was when he traded the #5 pick in the 2007 draft for a 32 year old shooting guard on gimpy ankles.  I threw a total fit.  I've never been more enraged... you absolutely do NOT give up top 5 picks.  They are GOLD.  ANd certainly not for a 32 year old shooting guard on gimpy ankles.  That was INSANE.  Just a disgustingly stupid move.  Simply adding Ray Allen to Paul Pierce (a couple top-30 players) does nothing to improve your title chances.

...

Then he traded the half the team for Kevin Garnett (superstar top 5 player at the time) and it all made sense.... Hello 3 year window!

...

The second time I was mad at Ainge was during the trade deadline last year.  We either needed to dump Pierce and Ray for assets or luck into a legitimate big man to play center next to KG.   There was no alternative.  You either blow it up for the future or find the piece that can make you a contender.   When the deadline came and went without a trade (we tried hard to move Pierce and Ray, but it fell through), I was absolutely distraught.   Of course, that TECHNICALLY worked out as well, because KG ended up filling the center role and thanks to some lucky playoff draws (Horford-less Atlanta and 8th seed Philly), we got a fun little series against Miami in the ECF. 

I have faith in Ainge. He knows what he's doing.


FYI, if Ainge listens to some of these fans and builds a team around Josh Smith and Rajon Rondo, it'll be just as dumb as the theoretical Pierce/Ray Allen foundation.   Having a couple top 30 players is nice, but unless you have a top 5 superstar to lead them, it's not producing a contender.

Good post. TP when all is said and done I will leave my trust with Danny

[droopdog7]

I checked in to read some realistic options.  As usual, I'm not seeing many.  At this point, a lot of our guys aren't even worth a salary dump.

[BleedGreen1989]

I checked in to read some realistic options.  As usual, I'm not seeing many.  At this point, a lot of our guys aren't even worth a salary dump.

I disagree. Lee, Bass, Crawford, and Bradley all have value. As stated previously, it depends what you're looking to get back

[lantinm]

1. Amnesty Pierce, so that his 15.3 million cap # will reduce our cap from 76 million to 61 million.
2. Garnett will most likely retire once that happens, so his 12.4 million cap # will reduce our cap figure to 48 million.
3. Trade the #16 pick and Avery Bradley to a team in the six through nine range (Sac, Det, Wash, Minny) and select Shabazz Muhammed.
4. Trade Courtney Lee and to the Wolves (they were rumored to be interested in him a few times this year) for Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham.  Since we'll be under the cap, we can absorb the 1.1 million difference.
5. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for Nick Collison, Thabeet, and Deandre Liggins.
6. Sign Josh Smith with the 12-14 mill in cap space to a five year - 70 mill deal.
7. Trade Jordan Crawford or offer cash for a pick in the 20's and select Tim Hardaway Jr.
8. Trade Fab Melo for a 2nd-round pick and select Myck Kabongo, Isaiah Canaan, or Nate Wolters

Starters -

C - Jared Sullinger
PF - Josh Smith
SF - Jeff Green
SG - Shabazz Muhammed
PG - Rajon Rondo

Bench (6-10)

C - Nick Collison
PF - Brandon Bass
SF - Terrance Williams
SG - Tim Hardwaway Jr.
PG - Luke Ridnour

Bench (11-15)

C - Hasheem Thabeet
PF - Shav Randolph
PF/SF - Dante Cunningham
SG/SF - DeAndre Liggins
PG - Wolters/Kabongo/Canaan

Hello Perpetual mediocrity!  That team wins 25-38 games.

25-38 games? A Green,Rondo, and Sully core is worth 25 wins alone. I not only added Josh Smith, but arguably both the most talented and NBA-ready prospect in Muhammed. I also fortified the bench as well. At least my post/plan was semi-realistic. No offense, but some of the trades you proposed wouldn't even go through on a video game with the AI turned off.

[LarBrd33]

1. Amnesty Pierce, so that his 15.3 million cap # will reduce our cap from 76 million to 61 million.
2. Garnett will most likely retire once that happens, so his 12.4 million cap # will reduce our cap figure to 48 million.
3. Trade the #16 pick and Avery Bradley to a team in the six through nine range (Sac, Det, Wash, Minny) and select Shabazz Muhammed.
4. Trade Courtney Lee and to the Wolves (they were rumored to be interested in him a few times this year) for Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham.  Since we'll be under the cap, we can absorb the 1.1 million difference.
5. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for Nick Collison, Thabeet, and Deandre Liggins.
6. Sign Josh Smith with the 12-14 mill in cap space to a five year - 70 mill deal.
7. Trade Jordan Crawford or offer cash for a pick in the 20's and select Tim Hardaway Jr.
8. Trade Fab Melo for a 2nd-round pick and select Myck Kabongo, Isaiah Canaan, or Nate Wolters

Starters -

C - Jared Sullinger
PF - Josh Smith
SF - Jeff Green
SG - Shabazz Muhammed
PG - Rajon Rondo

Bench (6-10)

C - Nick Collison
PF - Brandon Bass
SF - Terrance Williams
SG - Tim Hardwaway Jr.
PG - Luke Ridnour

Bench (11-15)

C - Hasheem Thabeet
PF - Shav Randolph
PF/SF - Dante Cunningham
SG/SF - DeAndre Liggins
PG - Wolters/Kabongo/Canaan

Hello Perpetual mediocrity!  That team wins 25-38 games.

25-38 games? A Green,Rondo, and Sully core is worth 25 wins alone. I not only added Josh Smith, but arguably both the most talented and NBA-ready prospect in Muhammed. I also fortified the bench as well. At least my post/plan was semi-realistic. No offense, but some of the trades you proposed wouldn't even go through on a video game with the AI turned off.

I'm sorry, but no... that's not true.  People drastically underestimate how terrible we were without KG on the floor.  Pierce has been our most dangerous scorer.  Even WITh those two + Jeff Green + Rondo + Sully, we were a BELOW .500 TEAM ... We were 20-23 when Rondo went out with an injury.  And you people are telling me we can replace Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett with Josh freakin Smith and it's going to produce a contender? 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPSxTDJeQ9I

... the rare Truman/Hodgson Condescending combo... I don't break that one out often.  lol jk

[kgainez]

1 .  trade PP for expiring and a pick, if not just buy him out

2. Let KG retire

3 Trade Terry, Lee,Bass for expirings

4 Build around Rondo,Green,Sully, Bradley

if we can do these things , we will have enough cap space to add a max contract in 2014 , and most likely have a high lottery pick in the deepest draft since 2003

i agree. and i think we will still end up being a 7th or 8th seed. look at the bucks, rockets and even GSW. if we find a pure scorer or even keep a guy like JET and pray he delivers more, we're in a great position.

we need to DEVELOP our talent. and i really keep saying this. I'm even ok with keeping T-Will to let him the back up PG. How's Fab doing in the D-league? This could be his year to come up and get real practice.

[fantankerous]

1 .  trade PP for expiring and a pick, if not just buy him out

2. Let KG retire

3 Trade Terry, Lee,Bass for expirings

4 Build around Rondo,Green,Sully, Bradley

if we can do these things , we will have enough cap space to add a max contract in 2014 , and most likely have a high lottery pick in the deepest draft since 2003

i agree. and i think we will still end up being a 7th or 8th seed. look at the bucks, rockets and even GSW. if we find a pure scorer or even keep a guy like JET and pray he delivers more, we're in a great position.

we need to DEVELOP our talent. and i really keep saying this. I'm even ok with keeping T-Will to let him the back up PG. How's Fab doing in the D-league? This could be his year to come up and get real practice.

We need real talent to develop, not the flotsam on our roster.  Putting faith in T-Will and Melo is a road to disaster Although a team featuring those two would certainly net us a boatload of lottery balls, which may lead to real talent.

[kgainez]

if ure idea is to trade Green and let KG and PP return, or just trade JG straight up, I think you're absolutely wrong an awful at this. If you want to trade JG, you might as well trade Rondo as well.

I don't get the idea of wanting to have a 37 year old as ur #1 option, who shot 36% in the playoffs, played his best ball in March then dramatically decreased again.

You all do know that if you don't win during the regular season, you don't even get a chance at the playoffs, right?

We've continued to get worse. Why do that with 2 HOFers on the team? let them go. let's play like Jeff and Rondo are our 2 best players. Because they are.

[goCeltics]

1) waive paul pierce

2) trade kg with to the clips for deandre, drew and bulter, clips do this also with the understanding that it improves their chance of resigning chris paul, and signing paul pierce with mle money

3) trade rondo to the jazz with lee for favors and marvin williams or to the pistons for monroe and charlie v, pistons or jazz are motivated in part do these trade in part to attract josh smith as a free agent, and sign them with there available cap space

this

would leave us with

green            butler
favors           williams
jordan           sullinger
bledsoe          bradley
terry            crawford

plus melo + our pick, plus i would try to squeeze the clippers pick out them, plus i would sign young darey morey type end of the bench guys if i could

mid year we could try and dump jason terry, josh reddick style and try to steal a pick or an asset




   

[kgainez]

1 .  trade PP for expiring and a pick, if not just buy him out

2. Let KG retire

3 Trade Terry, Lee,Bass for expirings

4 Build around Rondo,Green,Sully, Bradley

if we can do these things , we will have enough cap space to add a max contract in 2014 , and most likely have a high lottery pick in the deepest draft since 2003

i agree. and i think we will still end up being a 7th or 8th seed. look at the bucks, rockets and even GSW. if we find a pure scorer or even keep a guy like JET and pray he delivers more, we're in a great position.

we need to DEVELOP our talent. and i really keep saying this. I'm even ok with keeping T-Will to let him the back up PG. How's Fab doing in the D-league? This could be his year to come up and get real practice.

We need real talent to develop, not the flotsam on our roster.  Putting faith in T-Will and Melo is a road to disaster Although a team featuring those two would certainly net us a boatload of lottery balls, which may lead to real talent.

Dude
Fab Melo is a guy that learned bball 6 years ago and got drafted in the first round of the NBA Draft. He also started to dominate the D-League soon thereafter. I'm not expecting him to come out an all-star. I'm expecting him to come out and be able to contribute, especially near the end of the season.

I'm not sure how you're getting that out of T-Will. In all the games he's played, I've seen him play like 2 or 3 poor games. Again, I want him to be a BACK-UP to Rondo. Not asking him to do much more than that.

These things won't happen if KG and PP are still here and the game plan remains the same...which is get it to KG and Paul.

[fantankerous]

1. Amnesty Pierce, so that his 15.3 million cap # will reduce our cap from 76 million to 61 million.
2. Garnett will most likely retire once that happens, so his 12.4 million cap # will reduce our cap figure to 48 million.
3. Trade the #16 pick and Avery Bradley to a team in the six through nine range (Sac, Det, Wash, Minny) and select Shabazz Muhammed.
4. Trade Courtney Lee and to the Wolves (they were rumored to be interested in him a few times this year) for Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham.  Since we'll be under the cap, we can absorb the 1.1 million difference.
5. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for Nick Collison, Thabeet, and Deandre Liggins.
6. Sign Josh Smith with the 12-14 mill in cap space to a five year - 70 mill deal.
7. Trade Jordan Crawford or offer cash for a pick in the 20's and select Tim Hardaway Jr.
8. Trade Fab Melo for a 2nd-round pick and select Myck Kabongo, Isaiah Canaan, or Nate Wolters

Starters -

C - Jared Sullinger
PF - Josh Smith
SF - Jeff Green
SG - Shabazz Muhammed
PG - Rajon Rondo

Bench (6-10)

C - Nick Collison
PF - Brandon Bass
SF - Terrance Williams
SG - Tim Hardwaway Jr.
PG - Luke Ridnour

Bench (11-15)

C - Hasheem Thabeet
PF - Shav Randolph
PF/SF - Dante Cunningham
SG/SF - DeAndre Liggins
PG - Wolters/Kabongo/Canaan

Hello Perpetual mediocrity!  That team wins 25-38 games.

25-38 games? A Green,Rondo, and Sully core is worth 25 wins alone. I not only added Josh Smith, but arguably both the most talented and NBA-ready prospect in Muhammed. I also fortified the bench as well. At least my post/plan was semi-realistic. No offense, but some of the trades you proposed wouldn't even go through on a video game with the AI turned off.

No, 25-38 is about right.  Maybe a .500 team with some breaks.  More importantly, the other teams would reject the Bradley, Lee and Terry deals. 

Regarding Smith, I'd take him if we could somehow bring in another high level player (without giving up Rondo, Sully or Green).  Since this is impossible, we need to get really bad, really fast.  We need to make the 2014 offseason our priority.

[CelticConcourse]

No, 25-38 is about right.  Maybe a .500 team with some breaks.

Might as well just say 0-82 

[kgainez]

funny to me how kg and paul are the end all be all for you guys.

[kgainez]

1. Amnesty Pierce, so that his 15.3 million cap # will reduce our cap from 76 million to 61 million.
2. Garnett will most likely retire once that happens, so his 12.4 million cap # will reduce our cap figure to 48 million.
3. Trade the #16 pick and Avery Bradley to a team in the six through nine range (Sac, Det, Wash, Minny) and select Shabazz Muhammed.
4. Trade Courtney Lee and to the Wolves (they were rumored to be interested in him a few times this year) for Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham.  Since we'll be under the cap, we can absorb the 1.1 million difference.
5. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for Nick Collison, Thabeet, and Deandre Liggins.
6. Sign Josh Smith with the 12-14 mill in cap space to a five year - 70 mill deal.
7. Trade Jordan Crawford or offer cash for a pick in the 20's and select Tim Hardaway Jr.
8. Trade Fab Melo for a 2nd-round pick and select Myck Kabongo, Isaiah Canaan, or Nate Wolters

Starters -

C - Jared Sullinger
PF - Josh Smith
SF - Jeff Green
SG - Shabazz Muhammed
PG - Rajon Rondo

Bench (6-10)

C - Nick Collison
PF - Brandon Bass
SF - Terrance Williams
SG - Tim Hardwaway Jr.
PG - Luke Ridnour

Bench (11-15)

C - Hasheem Thabeet
PF - Shav Randolph
PF/SF - Dante Cunningham
SG/SF - DeAndre Liggins
PG - Wolters/Kabongo/Canaan

Hello Perpetual mediocrity!  That team wins 25-38 games.

25-38 games? A Green,Rondo, and Sully core is worth 25 wins alone. I not only added Josh Smith, but arguably both the most talented and NBA-ready prospect in Muhammed. I also fortified the bench as well. At least my post/plan was semi-realistic. No offense, but some of the trades you proposed wouldn't even go through on a video game with the AI turned off.

No, 25-38 is about right.  Maybe a .500 team with some breaks.  More importantly, the other teams would reject the Bradley, Lee and Terry deals. 

Regarding Smith, I'd take him if we could somehow bring in another high level player (without giving up Rondo, Sully or Green).  Since this is impossible, we need to get really bad, really fast.  We need to make the 2014 offseason our priority.

but we won 41 with the beloved kevin and paul. 3 more than your highest projection. that's ok with you?