Jeff

[BballTim]

If Green is with the team next year, I hope he is our starting SF regardless of whether or not Pierce is back

In fact, I think becoming a sixth man could really prolong Pierce's career another few years.  He would be absolutely lethal off the bench.

Shuddering at the thought of how bad the offense could be next year with Jeff Green as the best scorer in the lineup. Nauseating.

PG - Rondo
SG - Bradley
SF - Green
PF - Sully
C  - Garnett

Some more decline from KG who doesn't seem much of a shot-creator anymore ... Bradley's limited offensive package ... plus Sully still earning his stripes.

Jeff Green as scoring option #1
Rajon Rondo as scoring option #2

Not a pleasant picture.

  I don't think it's overly optimistic to look for point totals per game from those starters like:

KG: 14
Green: 17
Sully: 10
Bradley: 10
Rondo: 15

  That would be about 66 ppg, which is pretty typical for a starting unit. With the current roster you could bring Jet/PP/Bass and an acquired center off the bench which would be plenty of scoring.

[BballTim]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

  An offense based on transition scoring failing in the playoffs was pretty predictable. It didn't help that our opponent was the team that had the fewest turnovers in the league.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

  An offense based on transition scoring failing in the playoffs was pretty predictable. It didn't help that our opponent was the team that had the fewest turnovers in the league.

That really has little to do with what occurred, I had much more problem with our defensive effort, than anything to do with offense. Plus, our half court offense was working well too when the ball wasn't sticking to  Pierce.

[BballTim]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

  An offense based on transition scoring failing in the playoffs was pretty predictable. It didn't help that our opponent was the team that had the fewest turnovers in the league.

That really has little to do with what occurred, I had much more problem with our defensive effort, than anything to do with offense. Plus, our half court offense was working well too when the ball wasn't sticking to  Pierce.

  First of all it has everything to do with what occurred, playoff games are played at a slower pace and teams make more of an effort to get back on defense than they do during the season. And when exactly was our half court offense working well, when we were setting records for inept offense in the first few games? You also have to ask whether the half court offense wasn't working because the ball was sticking to PP or whether the ball was sticking to PP because the half court offense wasn't working.

[nickagneta]

That really has little to do with what occurred, I had much more problem with our defensive effort, than anything to do with offense. Plus, our half court offense was working well too when the ball wasn't sticking to  Pierce.

When was our defense bad in the playoffs? Did I miss something?

[kgainez]

If Green is with the team next year, I hope he is our starting SF regardless of whether or not Pierce is back

In fact, I think becoming a sixth man could really prolong Pierce's career another few years.  He would be absolutely lethal off the bench.

Shuddering at the thought of how bad the offense could be next year with Jeff Green as the best scorer in the lineup. Nauseating.

PG - Rondo
SG - Bradley
SF - Green
PF - Sully
C  - Garnett

Some more decline from KG who doesn't seem much of a shot-creator anymore ... Bradley's limited offensive package ... plus Sully still earning his stripes.

Jeff Green as scoring option #1
Rajon Rondo as scoring option #2

Not a pleasant picture.

I don't get it...

[BudweiserCeltic]

That really has little to do with what occurred, I had much more problem with our defensive effort, than anything to do with offense. Plus, our half court offense was working well too when the ball wasn't sticking to  Pierce.

When was our defense bad in the playoffs? Did I miss something?

Our perimeter defense, particularly on guards and stopping penetration was deplorable.

[nickagneta]

That really has little to do with what occurred, I had much more problem with our defensive effort, than anything to do with offense. Plus, our half court offense was working well too when the ball wasn't sticking to  Pierce.

When was our defense bad in the playoffs? Did I miss something?

Our perimeter defense, particularly on guards and stopping penetration was deplorable.

We held a team that normally averaged 100 points per game to 88 points per game. We held a team that normally shoots almost 45% to 41%. We held a team that normally shoots almost 38% from three to just 33.3%. That three point figure is fairly significant, especially given that it looked like the coaching game plan was to go under the perimeter picks and not switch outside against the premier three point shooting team in the league.

I just completely disagree with your view here.

That's pretty amazing, if you ask me.

[LB3533]

Anyone notice Jeff may have been playing injured in Game 6? Tommy and Mike also saw that Green was limping, yet the dude still drove to the rack whenever he could.

After Jeff (was pushed in the back) charged into Martin or Kidd, forget which one.....he picked up his 5th foul and chucked up that airball 3.

[LB3533]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

He played 43 minutes per game though. If you project his scoring out to 36mpg, its 17ppg. There are around 40 guys in this current playoffs - 2 or 3 per team - averaging more points per minute than Green.

Interestingly enough in the regular season he played only 28mpg, but if you project his regular season scoring out to 36mpg you get...16.6ppg. Pretty much the same.

That number is pretty close to his per-36 scoring average (16.2) when he was 22 playing for OKC.

He didn't score a whole lot more in these playoffs than his career average pace.

Your point about pace/defense is worth noting - though wasn't he being guarded by Carmelo?

But to average 25ppg next year - I say no way. That would put him in James Harden territory, 5th in the league. Green is an effective offensive role player, but he's not a dominant league-leading scorer. There's a world of difference between the two.

Green also didn't shoot at a higher rate per 36 in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

Pierce's shot attempts a game per 36 increase in the playoffs.