Jeff

[kgainez]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

I was going to make this point, too, but didn't have anything to back it up other than my eyes. PP tried to be Rondo. It wasn't necessary. When we had ball movement and even balanced scoring, we won (games and quarters).

[BudweiserCeltic]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

I was going to make this point, too, but didn't have anything to back it up other than my eyes. PP tried to be Rondo. It wasn't necessary. When we had ball movement and even balanced scoring, we won (games and quarters).

Don't mix Rondo into this. Pierce was doing this the full season with our without Rondo, only that now he was doing it more because Rondo wasn't there. But our culprits for the full season on stopping the ball movement have been Pierce and Rondo.

[kgainez]

I said Green is gonna avg 20 next season if PP and KG come back (25 without them)... I change my mind, he avgd 20pts this playoffs, I think he will avg 25 next season no matter who's out there. I just feel it! Let's go G8!

love jeff, but no way in hell he averages 25 a game , only elite scorers in their prime do that. PP, Kobe, Lebron,Durant,Wade types

He won't even average 20 points , unless he is playing 45 mins a game .

More likely in the 17,18 ppg range with good efficiency .

He avg 20 in the playoffs, where defense is ratcheted way up. He avg like 23 or so as starter regular season... 2-5 more pts isn't that out of hand! Also consider that his stamina isn't all the way back yet.

I can't wait for the I told you so, like I said the other day, I'm betting anyone (who reminds me) TPs if they bet me!

Let's go Green!

Considering how few points we scored over the series, you have a point.

Don't forget Rondo. Rondo scores more points in the playoffs than in the regular season. Who knows what style Green will fall back into in the regular season -- especially when our PG returns.

Part of why we scored so few points is because we threw the gameplan that was working to the trash. What had made this team good in Rondo's absence was our strong perimeter defense, how that defense sped up the game for us, and allowed us to move the ball.

Instead we brought Green to the starting line-up. Didn't use back-up SFs, so Pierce was playing even slower due to fatigue, and we were playing everything through him, with the ball sticking to him. This was a big problem throughout all the season, that we expected to have success doing that through a full series in the playoffs was dumb. Maybe that's not how Doc wanted to play, but it's what we ended up doing. Ball movement and defensive speed was our key, and it was removed from the equation.

We saw a little bit in the 4th quarter against the Knicks... where the heck was that Avery Bradley throughout the whole series? The full court instigator that was a pest to ball handlers?

This playoff series was a complete waste of time. I would've liked to see them play how they were supposed to, but it wasn't meant to happen I guess.

I was going to make this point, too, but didn't have anything to back it up other than my eyes. PP tried to be Rondo. It wasn't necessary. When we had ball movement and even balanced scoring, we won (games and quarters).

Don't mix Rondo into this. Pierce was doing this the full season with our without Rondo, only that now he was doing it more because Rondo wasn't there. But our culprits for the full season on stopping the ball movement have been Pierce and Rondo.

we just said the same thing, but you say it differently lol. but ok!
point is, we went away from the winning game plan

[Boris Badenov]

and also Boris,

James Harden averaged a little less than 17ppg last year coming off the bench when he was with OKC. As the #1 guy in Houston, he's avging a little over 25ppg.

I think we're saying that in a similar situation, JG would do similar things. I think 25ppg for Jeff is a stretch, yes. But I think 20-22 for JG as a starter, assuming he's next to Rondo, shouldn't be a tough task. Especially if there's no KG or PP to defer to. He becomes that (second) guy.

In order for JG to score 22 points per game next year, scoring at exactly the pace he did in this year's playoffs, he would need to play 47 minutes per game.

It's unrealistic to project Green's scoring for the regular season based on playoff ppg because he was playing 43 minutes per game - which exactly no one in the league did last year in the regular season. Deng led in mpg at 38.7. And Carmelo led the league in scoring playing 37 minutes per game.

So to answer your earlier question, no, of course the scoring title is not based on per-36 scoring. But a per-36 pace gives you a more realistic idea about how much someone will score during the regular season than does a per-43 output.

[kgainez]

and also Boris,

James Harden averaged a little less than 17ppg last year coming off the bench when he was with OKC. As the #1 guy in Houston, he's avging a little over 25ppg.

I think we're saying that in a similar situation, JG would do similar things. I think 25ppg for Jeff is a stretch, yes. But I think 20-22 for JG as a starter, assuming he's next to Rondo, shouldn't be a tough task. Especially if there's no KG or PP to defer to. He becomes that (second) guy.

In order for JG to score 22 points per game next year, scoring at exactly the pace he did in this year's playoffs, he would need to play 47 minutes per game.

It's unrealistic to project Green's scoring for the regular season based on playoff ppg because he was playing 43 minutes per game - which exactly no one in the league did last year in the regular season. Deng led in mpg at 38.7. And Carmelo led the league in scoring playing 37 minutes per game.

So to answer your earlier question, no, of course the scoring title is not based on per-36 scoring. But a per-36 pace gives you a more realistic idea about how much someone will score during the regular season than does a per-43 output.

and im saying that if we were going by that logic, then James Harden would barely be averaging 20 ppg this season.

You mean to tell me changing the game plan to favor Green and putting him with a real PG wouldn't increase his production? I find that hard to believe. And I'm not using his playoffs ppg to prove a point. I was using it to say that he can easily avg 20ppg. AS A STARTER, he did this in the regular season 17 games...and in 6 in the playoffs.

I guess it was implied JG's pace would increase. And it's not that much of an increase. 5 more points.1 extra point in 5 minutes. or .13pts per 36 minutes. that's  not exactly earth shattering stuff.

[BballTim]

and also Boris,

James Harden averaged a little less than 17ppg last year coming off the bench when he was with OKC. As the #1 guy in Houston, he's avging a little over 25ppg.

I think we're saying that in a similar situation, JG would do similar things. I think 25ppg for Jeff is a stretch, yes. But I think 20-22 for JG as a starter, assuming he's next to Rondo, shouldn't be a tough task. Especially if there's no KG or PP to defer to. He becomes that (second) guy.

In order for JG to score 22 points per game next year, scoring at exactly the pace he did in this year's playoffs, he would need to play 47 minutes per game.

It's unrealistic to project Green's scoring for the regular season based on playoff ppg because he was playing 43 minutes per game - which exactly no one in the league did last year in the regular season. Deng led in mpg at 38.7. And Carmelo led the league in scoring playing 37 minutes per game.

So to answer your earlier question, no, of course the scoring title is not based on per-36 scoring. But a per-36 pace gives you a more realistic idea about how much someone will score during the regular season than does a per-43 output.

  It does, but you also have to keep in mind that some of those people you have ahead of him in those per36 scorers list played as few as 4-5 total minutes in the playoffs.

[nickagneta]

I hope we trade him for something this team really needs, a low post offensive threat and some rebounding up front.

His passivity kills me. He disappears for long long stretches and is an anemic rebounder with poor passing skills.

Trade him Bass and the China 3 for Pau Gasol for a year. That's what I would do.

[cman88]

I hope we trade him for something this team really needs, a low post offensive threat and some rebounding up front.

His passivity kills me. He disappears for long long stretches and is an anemic rebounder with poor passing skills.

Trade him Bass and the China 3 for Pau Gasol for a year. That's what I would do.

poor Jeff never wins...the guy averages 20ppg in the playoffs and is called "passive"..he was tied with pierce for the series.

Jeff is just playing within the game...right now, Pierce/KG are our #1, #2 options

[KGs Knee]

If Green is with the team next year, I hope he is our starting SF regardless of whether or not Pierce is back

In fact, I think becoming a sixth man could really prolong Pierce's career another few years.  He would be absolutely lethal off the bench.

[tarheelsxxiii]

If Green is with the team next year, I hope he is our starting SF regardless of whether or not Pierce is back

In fact, I think becoming a sixth man could really prolong Pierce's career another few years.  He would be absolutely lethal off the bench.

Yep.

[Who]

If Green is with the team next year, I hope he is our starting SF regardless of whether or not Pierce is back

In fact, I think becoming a sixth man could really prolong Pierce's career another few years.  He would be absolutely lethal off the bench.

Shuddering at the thought of how bad the offense could be next year with Jeff Green as the best scorer in the lineup. Nauseating.

PG - Rondo
SG - Bradley
SF - Green
PF - Sully
C  - Garnett

Some more decline from KG who doesn't seem much of a shot-creator anymore ... Bradley's limited offensive package ... plus Sully still earning his stripes.

Jeff Green as scoring option #1
Rajon Rondo as scoring option #2

Not a pleasant picture.

[footey]

Need to surround Rondo with great perimeter shooters and an inside stud.  Al Jefferson not the answer, his defense is awful.

[Boris Badenov]

and also Boris,

James Harden averaged a little less than 17ppg last year coming off the bench when he was with OKC. As the #1 guy in Houston, he's avging a little over 25ppg.

I think we're saying that in a similar situation, JG would do similar things. I think 25ppg for Jeff is a stretch, yes. But I think 20-22 for JG as a starter, assuming he's next to Rondo, shouldn't be a tough task. Especially if there's no KG or PP to defer to. He becomes that (second) guy.

In order for JG to score 22 points per game next year, scoring at exactly the pace he did in this year's playoffs, he would need to play 47 minutes per game.

It's unrealistic to project Green's scoring for the regular season based on playoff ppg because he was playing 43 minutes per game - which exactly no one in the league did last year in the regular season. Deng led in mpg at 38.7. And Carmelo led the league in scoring playing 37 minutes per game.

So to answer your earlier question, no, of course the scoring title is not based on per-36 scoring. But a per-36 pace gives you a more realistic idea about how much someone will score during the regular season than does a per-43 output.

  It does, but you also have to keep in mind that some of those people you have ahead of him in those per36 scorers list played as few as 4-5 total minutes in the playoffs.

I tried to only count guys with >20mpg.

[timobusa]

SMH at the people who wants to trade Jeff Green, why?
Because he didn't score 40 points per game?
or grabbed 10 rebounds?

Thats not his game.

He wasn't the problem in this series or this season. As a matter of fact, He was one of our bright spots.

[BballTim]

and also Boris,

James Harden averaged a little less than 17ppg last year coming off the bench when he was with OKC. As the #1 guy in Houston, he's avging a little over 25ppg.

I think we're saying that in a similar situation, JG would do similar things. I think 25ppg for Jeff is a stretch, yes. But I think 20-22 for JG as a starter, assuming he's next to Rondo, shouldn't be a tough task. Especially if there's no KG or PP to defer to. He becomes that (second) guy.

In order for JG to score 22 points per game next year, scoring at exactly the pace he did in this year's playoffs, he would need to play 47 minutes per game.

It's unrealistic to project Green's scoring for the regular season based on playoff ppg because he was playing 43 minutes per game - which exactly no one in the league did last year in the regular season. Deng led in mpg at 38.7. And Carmelo led the league in scoring playing 37 minutes per game.

So to answer your earlier question, no, of course the scoring title is not based on per-36 scoring. But a per-36 pace gives you a more realistic idea about how much someone will score during the regular season than does a per-43 output.

  It does, but you also have to keep in mind that some of those people you have ahead of him in those per36 scorers list played as few as 4-5 total minutes in the playoffs.

I tried to only count guys with >20mpg.

  I don't think that there are anywhere near 40 of such players scoring more than Green.