Keep it together one more year - collect assets

[Evantime34]

How exactly are we going to "acquire assets" if the roster stays pretty much the same?

MLE and a draft pick (which I know aren't many assets, but they are assets)

Aren't we going to be close enough to the apron level again to prevent using the full MLE?

I'm pretty sure we will be able to use some version of the MLE, but I could be wrong.

[connor]

I agree. We just need one decent big to give KG a rest

And then where are we?

A team with a disgruntled big man because Doc plays too much small ball?

This.

I give up on the "acquiring a big" since Doc doesn't even play them.

I want them back for ONE FINAL STAND (yep, I said that a lot) but in order for that to happen, we need to move KG back to PF and lessen his interior defense load and get a big man who can block shots and defend the rim, while KG patrols the defense.

But Doc won't play them, so, where do we go? And I'd love Spencer Hawes to play for us.

This is a myth.


Doc has always played big men with talent.


Far to often, the Celtics have not had enough of them (or enough of them healthy)

Don't tell these guys it's a myth:

Kristic
Steamer
Shav
Darko

They might not believe you.

Really? Those are the "quality bigs" that you want to go with to prove your point that Doc just doesn't play his bigs?

Kristic who actually got playing time and then moved to Russia the next season.

Steamer who is averaging 2 more minutes a game in Minny than he did here.

Shav who, in my opinion, is no where near proven yet and has had serious foul and defensive issues thus far.

And Darko who probably should have gotten some back up minutes, but is a bust for his career and left for family reasons.

Not exactly the best evidence. The problem is just as wdleehi posted, we rarely have enough quality bigs to play (the guys you mentioned aren't what I consider "quality") and even if we do they are rarely all healthy at the same time. If we brought in a QUALITY big, I'm talking Dalembert, Hawes, Dejuan Blair, Mozgov, they'd be getting plenty of playing time.

[JOMVP]

I agree. We just need one decent big to give KG a rest

And then where are we?

A team with a disgruntled big man because Doc plays too much small ball?

This.

I give up on the "acquiring a big" since Doc doesn't even play them.

I want them back for ONE FINAL STAND (yep, I said that a lot) but in order for that to happen, we need to move KG back to PF and lessen his interior defense load and get a big man who can block shots and defend the rim, while KG patrols the defense.

But Doc won't play them, so, where do we go? And I'd love Spencer Hawes to play for us.

This is a myth.


Doc has always played big men with talent.


Far to often, the Celtics have not had enough of them (or enough of them healthy)

Don't tell these guys it's a myth:

Kristic
Steamer
Shav
Darko

They might not believe you.

Really? Those are the "quality bigs" that you want to go with to prove your point that Doc just doesn't play his bigs?

Kristic who actually got playing time and then moved to Russia the next season.

Steamer who is averaging 2 more minutes a game in Minny than he did here.

Shav who, in my opinion, is no where near proven yet and has had serious foul and defensive issues thus far.

And Darko who probably should have gotten some back up minutes, but is a bust for his career and left for family reasons.

Not exactly the best evidence. The problem is just as wdleehi posted, we rarely have enough quality bigs to play (the guys you mentioned aren't what I consider "quality") and even if we do they are rarely all healthy at the same time. If we brought in a QUALITY big, I'm talking Dalembert, Hawes, Dejuan Blair, Mozgov, they'd be getting plenty of playing time.

Exactly. I hate the Doc plays too much small ball stuff. When he had Perkins, he rode the Perkins/Garnett lineup like a horse. The talented bigs that he has had over the years unfortunately had injury problems. If Jermaine O'Neil and Shaq were healthy they would have played tons of minutes next to Garnett.

What Doc wants in a big man is someone who is defensively sound with their positioning and rotations and he just hasnt had that. He played Steimsma more than he probably would have if he wasnt showing some improvement on the defensive end.

[LooseCannon]

Exactly. I hate the Doc plays too much small ball stuff. When he had Perkins, he rode the Perkins/Garnett lineup like a horse.

As I recall, Doc didn't play Perkins that much in the 4th quarter.  If you want Doc to play big next to KG, find someone with more range on his jump shot than Bass who is also a good team defender.

[Moranis]

the best way to collect assets is to trade you older players for younger players or draft picks (i.e. move Pierce and Garnett).  I also think if you want to collect assets Rondo would be the best option to move.

My optimal blow it up offseason (I think all of these moves are possible though obviously are all just conjecture)

Rondo & Lee for Kemba Walker, Ty Thomas, Ben Gordon (expiring), & rights to both the Detroit and Portland picks that Charlotte owns

Bass & Terry for Humphries (expiring)

Lee to Memphis for trade exception

4 team Trade -
Chicago - Garnett, Green
Golden State - Pierce, Crawford
LA Clippers - Deng, Hamilton
Boston - Bledsoe (expiring), Draymond Green, Biedrins (expiring), Jefferson (expiring), Butler (expiring), 1st GS, 1st Chi


This puts Boston into full bore rebuilding this summer and creates a ton of draft picks entering the 2014 draft (at least our own and GS and the rights to Detroit and Portland, which could also come in 2014 or beyond).  Boston also has a ton of young players (Sully, Walker, Bledsoe, etc.) and a huge cache of expiring contracts to use at the trade deadline (or let expire to go into the summer of 2014 with enough room for 2 max with room left over and a ton of high quality rookies).

[aporel#18]

The best way to collect assets is getting a higher draft pick, but if KG isn't retiring, it would be better to wait till 2014-2015 to let PP/KG/Jet retire and tank like mad men.

But if KG is retiring, it's time to tank, just not blowing it out nuke style.

DA should try to trade KG for a bad contract + young player + first rounders: KG for Turkoglu and pick, Charlie V.+ Kyle Singler and pick... right after the trade, KG files retirement papers, and they save a ton of money. KG then comes back to the Cs to be big men coach (I know it'd be difficult, but wouldn't it be great?).

Then The Captain is traded to the Bulls (yeah, that sounds terrible) to finish his contract there, alongside Bass, for Boozer (extra year) and Rip Hamilton. The Bulls should include their Charlotte 2014 first round pick (top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 in 2015, unprotected in 2016) for the money they're saving, and the versatility of Pierce+Bass. When PP is a free agent again in 2014, sign him on a two year team-friendly contract to let him retire in Green.

It would be ideal to trade the Jet, but I'm not sure if they will be a big market for him. The same with Lee, if any team is asking for him and puts a good offer, deal done.

Keep Rondo off the court until after the ASG, D-Rose style, you need to be bad to tank, and that worked out just fine with the Admiral and Duncan. No need to rush him or Sully.

Keep T-Will, Crawkward and Shav, and play them a lot alongside Bradley, Green, Melo and this year's rookie(a big who can stretch the floor to pair with Sully would be great).

This way you would get three first round picks in the 2014 Draft, and the ability to get great prospects and/or package Boozer+pick+prospects for a star. Then you sign Pierce as 6th man star and you have a great team, maybe a contender for the 2014-2015 season.

[Celtics4ever]

This puts Boston into full bore rebuilding this summer and creates a ton of draft picks entering the 2014 draft (at least our own and GS and the rights to Detroit and Portland, which could also come in 2014 or beyond).  Boston also has a ton of young players (Sully, Walker, Bledsoe, etc.) and a huge cache of expiring contracts to use at the trade deadline (or let expire to go into the summer of 2014 with enough room for 2 max with room left over and a ton of high quality rookies).

Trouble is draft picks don't always pan out.  These drafts seem weaker every year too.

[Moranis]

This puts Boston into full bore rebuilding this summer and creates a ton of draft picks entering the 2014 draft (at least our own and GS and the rights to Detroit and Portland, which could also come in 2014 or beyond).  Boston also has a ton of young players (Sully, Walker, Bledsoe, etc.) and a huge cache of expiring contracts to use at the trade deadline (or let expire to go into the summer of 2014 with enough room for 2 max with room left over and a ton of high quality rookies).

Trouble is draft picks don't always pan out.  These drafts seem weaker every year too.

next year is the year to tank.  the 2014 draft should have more than 1 potential HOF talent and should be pretty deep.

[jay]

I agree text year is a good year to tank, but its up to KG coming back.

If he and Pierce come back, I think you try to hold on one more year, then do a plan like I had in the first post of this thread.  If KG is gone, then I agree.  KG retire, PP amnesty or retire.  Then you have 5 contracts to trade:  Lee, Bass, Green, Rondo, Terry.

Try to package them and trade for bad contracts and good draft picks like Moranis has been talking about.  You will have to take on some really bad contacts ike Ty Thomas and Jeremy Lin.  Houston and Charlotte have aquired some draft picks.

[jay]

I guess the way to look at it is this:  Would you trade Rondo for a potential top 5 pick?  Would you trade Green for a potential pick in the 7 to 14 range.  Would you trade Terry/Bass for some kind of late pick. 

You would be a bad team next year, so there is a chance of having three lottery picks.  You would also have enough cap room to go after Chris Paul. 

It would take another 2 years to shed the bad contracts you had to take on (Hunphries, Thomas, etc..)  but those guys wouldnt be bad role players for 2 years then you would have money to sign your young guys when their rookie contracts run out.  You would also have Sullinger and AB as roll players as well as the 2013 first rounder.