What two max contract guys would you replace Pierce and KG with this offseason?

[CelticConcourse]

get clips to sign cp3 to vet min for six years and then trade second round pick plus dj white for him then we will have reliable backup for rondo

 

I don't think we're gonna get any max contract guys. I wish CP3 (what if we had Rondo+CP3 on the same roster?), but if anyone it'll be Smoove. Rondo+Smoove could be a top duo in the league. (in worst FT%)

[Roy H.]

I think some posters need to take the "Roy Hobbs Instructional Course on the NBA CBA for the NBA Trading Knowledge Impaired"

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/2/14/3988242/cap-questions-could-josh-smith-replace-kg-and-pierce

I haven't checked my work on this yet, but that's what I came up with in February.

[KGs Knee]

I think the main issue, regarding the confusion over what would happen if KG retires, surrounds the fact that very few players with as much money to owed KG actually retire.  Most often, players in said situation will play out the contract.

Occasionally a player like Rasheed will retire with somewhat substantial money owed and receive a buyout.  I'm not sure this isn't more a matter of the team generally having no cap space to use, even if the player's salary was completely remover from the books.  So, as a matter of wanting to keep good relations with all players league wide (for future recruitment purposes), the team agrees to a buyout instead of forcing the player to actually file the "official papers".

My point is that there is rarely any benefit to the team (other than saving money they had already agreed to pay) in  forcing the issue.  Teams generally just pay the player and move on.

[Lucky17]

Our salary if we amnesty/trade Pierce and KG retires is 46.2M according to hoopshype.

I still don't believe this is necessarily correct.

Garnett's salary for next year is guaranteed at $12.45 million, and another year after that for at least $6 million. There would need to be some sort of buyout, although that could be stretched (over as many as 5 years, I believe).

I know KG is a team guy, but assuming he won't take a single dollar contractually owed to him upon retirement seems like a huge assumption.

I thought if he retires he forfeits any future earnings from the contract

Retirement due to medical condition is the only way to avoid the payroll hit. The player still gets paid, though.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

IIRC, Rasheed Wallace was still owed money on the final year of his deal when he filed for retirement, and the amount of the buyout he negotiated with the Celtics counted against the team's cap that season.

You may be wrong as well. I too thought KG's salary was still on the books, but apparently if you file official retirement papers with the NBA office, you can forego the rest of your salary, which doesn't count on the salary cap. I may be wrong since it definitely conflicts with what Larry Coon said

Edit: Found it here. if KG signs official papers, his contract comes completely off the books.
"Players can also voluntarily, formally retire by filing paperwork with the league, in which case their contract is cancelled and the player doesn’t get paid. Jason Williams did this with the Clippers in 2008.
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-salary-cap-chat-with-larry-coon-11211#7LMSrQVURsCmH3gS.99 "

This is true, but it would prevent KG from considering a return to the league. If he's 100% sure about retiring, this could be a scenario, but only if as Coon says:

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 77), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year.

As KGs Knee says, the buyout is the more common option (it would also allow KG to change his mind and return to the league the following season).

[Lucky17]

I think some posters need to take the "Roy Hobbs Instructional Course on the NBA CBA for the NBA Trading Knowledge Impaired"

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/2/14/3988242/cap-questions-could-josh-smith-replace-kg-and-pierce

I haven't checked my work on this yet, but that's what I came up with in February.

Seems sound, although obviously the contract of Jordan Crawford ($2.16 mil) now needs to be figured into the equation (meaning $1.67 mil less cap space, if my math is right). I don't think any of the China 3 contracts have any implications on the payroll for next year (all fully non-guaranteed).

[KGs Knee]

An even more tricky aspect would be if KG did formally retire, and forgo his salary.  Say under that scenario, he later decided he wanted to come back.  Per league rules, he is allowed to do so, provided all 30 teams sign off.

What if, however, the Celtics had already used their new found cap space to sign FA's using said cap space?  Would the move be impossible due to CBA circumvention rules?  Would KG's original contract be re-instated, or would the Celtics be free to re-negotiate a new, lesser value deal?

[chambers]

So what if we sign and traded Pierce & KG?
Surely we can have two players back on our cap (10 + 16 million= 26 million) on similar deals.
In this scenario getting back Eric Gordon or Josh Smith for Pierce, and then Millsap or Pekovic for KG.
These are dream scenarios of course but if the other teams agreed for whatever reason it's possible right?
It's how Danny offered up Pierce for Josh Smith before the trade deadline isn't it?
Thanks for technical input too.

[nickagneta]

So what if we sign and traded Pierce & KG?
Surely we can have two players back on our cap (10 + 16 million= 26 million) on similar deals.
In this scenario getting back Eric Gordon or Josh Smith for Pierce, and then Millsap or Pekovic for KG.
These are dream scenarios of course but if the other teams agreed for whatever reason it's possible right?
It's how Danny offered up Pierce for Josh Smith before the trade deadline isn't it?
Thanks for technical input too.

Why do we have to sign and trade them when they are already signed for next year and even have options for the year after? Are we signing and trading them after their current contracts run out? Who would want them and what value is that?

[chambers]

So what if we sign and traded Pierce & KG?
Surely we can have two players back on our cap (10 + 16 million= 26 million) on similar deals.
In this scenario getting back Eric Gordon or Josh Smith for Pierce, and then Millsap or Pekovic for KG.
These are dream scenarios of course but if the other teams agreed for whatever reason it's possible right?
It's how Danny offered up Pierce for Josh Smith before the trade deadline isn't it?
Thanks for technical input too.

Why do we have to sign and trade them when they are already signed for next year and even have options for the year after? Are we signing and trading them after their current contracts run out? Who would want them and what value is that?

A handshake agreement? Perhaps take KG knowing he'll retire, move a player that they don't want ie. Eric Gordon or Millsap + a bonus for taking KG like a second rounder.
In Pierces case you can him plus a bonus like...
Eric Gordon for Pierce, Jordan Crawford+ a second round pick as a favor for taking Pierces entire salary off our books. They can then dump him for 5 million.
Surely we can then extend the new player over the hard cap?

My main question is it possible ? Seems people are saying we can't sign a max player but surely Danny can via sign and trade after going after J Smoove this season.

[KGs Knee]

So what if we sign and traded Pierce & KG?
Surely we can have two players back on our cap (10 + 16 million= 26 million) on similar deals.
In this scenario getting back Eric Gordon or Josh Smith for Pierce, and then Millsap or Pekovic for KG.
These are dream scenarios of course but if the other teams agreed for whatever reason it's possible right?
It's how Danny offered up Pierce for Josh Smith before the trade deadline isn't it?
Thanks for technical input too.

Why do we have to sign and trade them when they are already signed for next year and even have options for the year after? Are we signing and trading them after their current contracts run out? Who would want them and what value is that?

A handshake agreement? Perhaps take KG knowing he'll retire, move a player that they don't want ie. Eric Gordon or Millsap + a bonus for taking KG like a second rounder.
In Pierces case you can him plus a bonus like...
Eric Gordon for Pierce, Jordan Crawford+ a second round pick as a favor for taking Pierces entire salary off our books. They can then dump him for 5 million.
Surely we can then extend the new player over the hard cap?

My main question is it possible ? Seems people are saying we can't sign a max player but surely Danny can via sign and trade after going after J Smoove this season.

So, I'm assuming you mean we would trade KG to Atlanta THIS season, as part of a S&T that would bring us Smith in return.  The idea being, KG would then immediately retire and forgo his salary, thus not costing Atlanta any additonal, unwanted salary.

This is theoretically possible, yes, but unlikely.  Atlanta would basically be going on KG's word.  KG would also have to be willing to do so.

[KGs Knee]

get clips to sign cp3 to vet min for six years and then trade second round pick plus dj white for him then we will have reliable backup for rondo

 

I don't think we're gonna get any max contract guys. I wish CP3 (what if we had Rondo+CP3 on the same roster?), but if anyone it'll be Smoove. Rondo+Smoove could be a top duo in the league. (in worst FT%)

Busted 

[droopdog7]

Can't believe we are on page 4 on a premise that isn't even realistic.  No way we can get under the cap to sign two max players.  And teams won't trade cap exceptions for anyone of our scrubs.  And even if they would trade expiring contracts, they'd still be under contract for next year (which means no relief until next summer).

[chambers]

Can't believe we are on page 4 on a premise that isn't even realistic.  No way we can get under the cap to sign two max players.  And teams won't trade cap exceptions for anyone of our scrubs.  And even if they would trade expiring contracts, they'd still be under contract for next year (which means no relief until next summer).

Did you read the original post? At some point in the next 2 seasons, those being 13-14 & 14-15, we will have enough room. Doesn't necessarily have to be this upcoming year, it has to be by 2015 trade deadline..as pointed out, the 2015 free agency class is very nice.
This is a hypothetical for having the room to sign two max guys.

[Lucky17]

Boy, if you ask me right now, I say Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.

Love these guys.

[KGs Knee]

Boy, if you ask me right now, I say Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.

Love these guys.

KG still got it, no doubt.

Last 3 games...17+ reb per