Time to Blow It Up

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I just had an idea.

I was all for drafting big but I looked at some FA's next year (Dalembert, Kaman, Mosgov and to some point Cole Aldrich and my boy Jason Smith), we can sign these guys on low money and be a bit of help for us.

If we can flip Bass, Jet, Lee and to some extent Avery for a pick, we can have a bit of salary dump to offer some of those bigs.

And we steal this guy from the draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbW66eeRvGQ

He's not a superstar but he's got all around skills. He can score,  he rebounds, he defends and has the tools to be solid in an NBA level. Another guy who can create for his own and for others. He's projected a 2nd rounder, I believe he's the steal of the draft. Imagine, our own Kawhi Leonard, not as good of a shooter but better at everything else.

[KGs Knee]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

[EJPLAYA]

It was time to blow it up last offseason. At least we could have gotten something out of some guys. Now we are stuck with the entire league realizing that PP and KG are shot and don't have enough left in the tank to be worth giving us anything for. (not that we would have gotten a lot before)

All we did was extend the misery by putting us one year farther out before we can get a reasonable draft prospect. It is time to package Rondo and truly start over.

[EJPLAYA]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

With Rondo on this team this year we were still a 500 ball club and still would be first round out. The difference is that KG and PP have both lost a lot in this past year, and we miss Ray's shooting. We also had a lot of injuries to players who were supposed to play big roles so our depth is crap. Rondo wouldn't have made hardly any difference in this series. If people think that he is going to make a difference next season they are going to be very disappointed...

[Celtics18]

The only upside I can think of for this impending embarrassment at the hands of the Knicks is that it should leave no doubt whatsoever that this team is past the point where it can compete anymore.

Missing Rondo is huge.  Don't get me wrong. 

But if Danny Ainge, figuratively speaking, looks all of us Celtics fans in the eyes this summer and says "We're going to contend again next year," he should be fired.  I've generally been a Danny supporter, but if this team isn't fully committed to a rebuild at the start of next season, I want him gone.  Running back this tired group again would be GM malpractice.

The run last summer gave us all hope that we could have a couple more years of being relevant.  It's pretty clear now that that was a foolish dream.  It's too bad that this era couldn't end on a positive note more like last season, but it is what it is. 

It's time to start over.

I don't see any reason to blow it up.  Just keep Rondo out for most of next year.  Let Bradley, Green, Sullinger, our first rounder from this year,  Bass, T-Will, Fab, and the rest of the guys continue to develop.  If Paul and KG want to stick around, great.  Up to them.

Then come back for the 2014-2015 strong with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, our mid first rounder from this year, our lottery pick from the the 2014 draft, whatever other pieces we add in the meantime, and we're back!!  We might even be able to add a high caliber free agent to that mix.

The immediate future isn't looking too hot right now, but I think our long term future looks very solid. 

Patience, patience.

[BballTim]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

With Rondo on this team this year we were still a 500 ball club and still would be first round out.

  We go through long stretches playing .500 ball every year and we've never been first round out before. There's no reason to believe this year is wildly different from the past 3.

[gpap]

Yup, definitely time to blow it up. The only way we can make this work with Paul and KG back for one more year is if we restructure their contracts so they're making SIGNIFICANTLY less and come off the bench.

Then use that freed up money to go after an Al Jefferson, Josh Smith or even Dwight Howard.

So next year you'd have Rondo, AB, Green, Smith/Jefferson/Howard, etc with Paul/KG off the bench.

Then deal Terry and Lee for a salad, use the cap relief to sign another decent player/s and give 2013/14 a shot.

If this scenario can't be done, then maybe Danny can offer Rondo, Sully and Green for a franchise player (maybe Minny might be dumb enough to move Kevin Love and filler.)

If that can't be done either, then time to rebuild from scratch and possibly tank next year so we get a franchise player in the 2014 draft.

The only way the Celts are going to get good again is if we either land a franchise player or get really bad so we draft a franchise player in the draft. The days of relying on the Celts to compete with Pierce and KG in the starting lineup have come and gone.

[gpap]

The only upside I can think of for this impending embarrassment at the hands of the Knicks is that it should leave no doubt whatsoever that this team is past the point where it can compete anymore.

Missing Rondo is huge.  Don't get me wrong. 

But if Danny Ainge, figuratively speaking, looks all of us Celtics fans in the eyes this summer and says "We're going to contend again next year," he should be fired.  I've generally been a Danny supporter, but if this team isn't fully committed to a rebuild at the start of next season, I want him gone.  Running back this tired group again would be GM malpractice.

The run last summer gave us all hope that we could have a couple more years of being relevant.  It's pretty clear now that that was a foolish dream.  It's too bad that this era couldn't end on a positive note more like last season, but it is what it is. 

It's time to start over.

I don't see any reason to blow it up.  Just keep Rondo out for most of next year.  Let Bradley, Green, Sullinger, our first rounder from this year,  Bass, T-Will, Fab, and the rest of the guys continue to develop.  If Paul and KG want to stick around, great.  Up to them.

Then come back for the 2014-2015 strong with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, our mid first rounder from this year, our lottery pick from the the 2014 draft, whatever other pieces we add in the meantime, and we're back!!  We might even be able to add a high caliber free agent to that mix.

The immediate future isn't looking too hot right now, but I think our long term future looks very solid. 

Patience, patience.

I really dont think the Celts will get very far with a starting five of Rondo, AB, Green, Sully and Lee. That is a 500 average team at best which means we are stuck in the same predicament we are in now. 40 wins and a first round exit.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The only upside I can think of for this impending embarrassment at the hands of the Knicks is that it should leave no doubt whatsoever that this team is past the point where it can compete anymore.

Missing Rondo is huge.  Don't get me wrong. 

But if Danny Ainge, figuratively speaking, looks all of us Celtics fans in the eyes this summer and says "We're going to contend again next year," he should be fired.  I've generally been a Danny supporter, but if this team isn't fully committed to a rebuild at the start of next season, I want him gone.  Running back this tired group again would be GM malpractice.

The run last summer gave us all hope that we could have a couple more years of being relevant.  It's pretty clear now that that was a foolish dream.  It's too bad that this era couldn't end on a positive note more like last season, but it is what it is. 

It's time to start over.

I don't see any reason to blow it up.  Just keep Rondo out for most of next year.  Let Bradley, Green, Sullinger, our first rounder from this year,  Bass, T-Will, Fab, and the rest of the guys continue to develop.  If Paul and KG want to stick around, great.  Up to them.

Then come back for the 2014-2015 strong with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, our mid first rounder from this year, our lottery pick from the the 2014 draft, whatever other pieces we add in the meantime, and we're back!!  We might even be able to add a high caliber free agent to that mix.

The immediate future isn't looking too hot right now, but I think our long term future looks very solid. 

Patience, patience.

I really dont think the Celts will get very far with a starting five or Rondo, AB, Green, Sully and Lee. That is a 500 average team at best which means we are stuck in the same predicament we are in now. 40 wins and a first round exit.

Not with Lee starting.

If we get a big that can be tough, defend, rebound and we're good.

Sully is our low post guy, Green has shown he can attack the rim and Rondo will be Rondo while Avery (if he comes back to being Avery) will shut down the opponent's best wing.

It's not a contender, but it's a solid young and experienced core to build with. Cheap too.

[BballTim]

The only upside I can think of for this impending embarrassment at the hands of the Knicks is that it should leave no doubt whatsoever that this team is past the point where it can compete anymore.

Missing Rondo is huge.  Don't get me wrong. 

But if Danny Ainge, figuratively speaking, looks all of us Celtics fans in the eyes this summer and says "We're going to contend again next year," he should be fired.  I've generally been a Danny supporter, but if this team isn't fully committed to a rebuild at the start of next season, I want him gone.  Running back this tired group again would be GM malpractice.

The run last summer gave us all hope that we could have a couple more years of being relevant.  It's pretty clear now that that was a foolish dream.  It's too bad that this era couldn't end on a positive note more like last season, but it is what it is. 

It's time to start over.

I don't see any reason to blow it up.  Just keep Rondo out for most of next year.  Let Bradley, Green, Sullinger, our first rounder from this year,  Bass, T-Will, Fab, and the rest of the guys continue to develop.  If Paul and KG want to stick around, great.  Up to them.

Then come back for the 2014-2015 strong with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, our mid first rounder from this year, our lottery pick from the the 2014 draft, whatever other pieces we add in the meantime, and we're back!!  We might even be able to add a high caliber free agent to that mix.

The immediate future isn't looking too hot right now, but I think our long term future looks very solid. 

Patience, patience.

I really dont think the Celts will get very far with a starting five of Rondo, AB, Green, Sully and Lee. That is a 500 average team at best which means we are stuck in the same predicament we are in now. 40 wins and a first round exit.

  I don't think that the plan is to not replace KG and PP when they leave, not sign any FAs and not draft anyone. That won't be our starting lineup.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I don't know how much money we can offer but we should go after Carl Landry.

Heck, I'd trade Sully for him.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

The Heat wouldn't even study tape of a Rondo Bradley Lee Green Sullinger lineup

[Celtics18]

The only upside I can think of for this impending embarrassment at the hands of the Knicks is that it should leave no doubt whatsoever that this team is past the point where it can compete anymore.

Missing Rondo is huge.  Don't get me wrong. 

But if Danny Ainge, figuratively speaking, looks all of us Celtics fans in the eyes this summer and says "We're going to contend again next year," he should be fired.  I've generally been a Danny supporter, but if this team isn't fully committed to a rebuild at the start of next season, I want him gone.  Running back this tired group again would be GM malpractice.

The run last summer gave us all hope that we could have a couple more years of being relevant.  It's pretty clear now that that was a foolish dream.  It's too bad that this era couldn't end on a positive note more like last season, but it is what it is. 

It's time to start over.

I don't see any reason to blow it up.  Just keep Rondo out for most of next year.  Let Bradley, Green, Sullinger, our first rounder from this year,  Bass, T-Will, Fab, and the rest of the guys continue to develop.  If Paul and KG want to stick around, great.  Up to them.

Then come back for the 2014-2015 strong with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, our mid first rounder from this year, our lottery pick from the the 2014 draft, whatever other pieces we add in the meantime, and we're back!!  We might even be able to add a high caliber free agent to that mix.

The immediate future isn't looking too hot right now, but I think our long term future looks very solid. 

Patience, patience.

I really dont think the Celts will get very far with a starting five of Rondo, AB, Green, Sully and Lee. That is a 500 average team at best which means we are stuck in the same predicament we are in now. 40 wins and a first round exit.

Goodness, no.  Rondo, two shooting guards, and Green and Sully up front.  I certainly wouldn't want that to be my starting lineup of the future. 

Rondo, (Andre Wiggins), Green, Sullinger, and (Greg Monroe), with Bradley, Terrence Williams, Bass, Mason Plumlee, and Melo off the bench, on the other hand, that's a team that I'll take going forward.

I understand that I'm being somewhat optimistic with that lineup, but some of you seem to think that if we don't blow it up and get rid of everybody, we'll never have any avenues for ever adding any good players to the team ever again.

I don't understand all the ins and outs of the CBA, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. 

[WeMadeIt17]

What happens if both Pierce and KG call it quits? I am almost 100% that it still counts towards the cap correct? If so that stinks. Then we are really in no mans land. As fans I think we would all hate to see KG and Pierce traded but might be the only way. As someone else said we are in no mans land right now. Not really and good draft picks, and no cap space. Idk I think this off-season makes or brakes Danny. He has to do something. We need a big man.

[Q_FBE]

Pierce has a team buyout option of 5 million to be excercised by July 1. KG has two more years at 11 million per with a no trade clause. If Doc Rivers gets fired and I think he should be after we lose to the Bricks Sunday, then KG will want out.

I think this is the time to make radical changes to the team and it starts with the HC.