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10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« on: April 24, 2013, 03:20:56 AM »

Offline PhoSita

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Trying to find purpose, resolve, and reasons to be excited about this team moving forward is difficult in the wake losses like the ones the Celtics suffered Sunday and tonight.  There's not much out there on the floor to hold onto, so my way of coping is to look ahead to the future.


Here is my to-do list for the Celtics between now and the 2014 draft:

1. KG should retire.  Statistically, he had yet another solid season, but the cracks are showing.  The injury he's playing through this post-season is noticeably limiting him.  This is a state of affairs that will only become much more frequent if he keeps playing.  He's expressed that he doesn't want to play for another team; he likely could have been traded to the Clippers around the trade deadline this season if he wanted to, but he chose not to.  It's unfortunate that he couldn't close his career with another deep playoff run, but things are only going downhill from here -- both for KG as an individual player and for the Celtics as a team.

2. The team should sit down with Pierce, tell him that they wish him well, thank him for all that he's done for the franchise, and amnesty him.  Pierce can then join up with the contender of his choice for a discount on his true value, and spend the last season or three of his career being a very nice complementary piece on a good team.  "Celtic for life" is a nice thought, but not really that important in the long run.  Karl Malone will always be thought of as a Jazz guy.  Gary Payton will always be a Sonics guy.  Pierce will always be a Celtic, regardless of what uniform he's wearing when he retires.

3. Target the best player available in the draft.  The Celtics just need talent.  They aren't in a position to draft for need -- regardless of their lack of half-decent big men.  Even if it's a point guard, just take the guy who has the best chance of being an above average starter one day.

4. Salary dump Terry in the off-season.  It doesn't matter what it takes, if there's a team out there willing to take Terry for a 2nd round pick or even a flat salary dump with inconsequential consideration, the team should do it.  This pairing hasn't worked out for Terry or the Celtics, and everybody involved needs a fresh start.  The Celtics really would be better off with his salary off the books, too.

5. Explore trade options for Lee and Bass.  Neither player is likely to command a ton of value on the market this summer, but they have still shown this season, despite their struggles at times, that they have value for a playoff team.  The issue with them is that they are pretty much at their ceiling as players and they struggle if you put them in a situation where they are asked to do more than fill a very simple role.  That makes them a poor fit on a rebuilding team, which is what the Celtics are now.  Both have multiple years left on their contracts, and they made mid-level money or better, so it's in the team's best interest to get them off the books for flexibility's sake.  In short, players like Lee and Bass are a luxury a mediocre team can't afford.

6. In free agency, look for players who are available for a bargain, or who will take a one year deal.  Ideally get guys who have potential to raise their value so they could serve as a trade chip later, but the top priority is to fill out the roster with capable players without tying up future cap.  Needs: true backup point guard (Will Bynum, Beno Udrih), multiple centers (Mozgov, Dalembert, Blair, Splitter), and backup SF (Budinger, Wright, Ronnie Brewer, Marquis Daniels).

7. Bring Rondo and Sullinger back slowly from injury to give them the best opportunity to produce at a high level once they are back.  Hope that they can build their value back up as they play into shape.  Hope Rondo has a bounce-back All-Star season.

8. Feature Jeff Green as the top offensive option and hope he produces with reasonable efficiency.  This will result in a lot of losses but that's okay.

9. Shop everybody on the roster around trade deadline time -- in particular Rondo, Bradley, and Green -- in the hopes of securing a higher pick in the loaded 2014 draft, or getting a legitimate cornerstone prospect for the rebuild.

10. Miss the playoffs, get a solid lottery pick.  Dangle Rondo, Bradley, Green, and anybody else of significant trade value around draft time next year to try to secure multiple prospects or move up the draft if there's one guy in particular to target.
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 03:53:47 AM »

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Why are you even a Celtics fan if you want to get rid of every celtic player out there?

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013, 04:01:00 AM »

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Because this is what rebuilding means.


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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013, 06:41:37 AM »

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Because this is what rebuilding means.

  It's more like what hoping to be like the Kings for the next 10+ seasons looks like.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 06:45:37 AM »

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Why are you even a Celtics fan if you want to get rid of every celtic player out there?

There's nothing particularly un-Celtic fan like about his ideas, at least not if you are prescribing to the notion that you root for the laundry, not the players (It's the name in the front, not the back, that matters). Which I think is safe to say is the approach for most of the people around here.

On topic: Regardless of how the playoffs will turn out the off season will be very interesting. There's great risk involved in whatever direction the Celtics are going, whether that be risking to become a treadmill team, or as another poster has noted, become a team like the Kings who is destined for the lottery year in year out, regardless of whatever "gems" they get in the draft.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2013, 07:26:27 AM »

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I'd give it one more roll of the dice.
Let KG and Pierce play 20 mins a night. Make the playoffs with Rondo. Let Green go ape. Dump Terry, Lee. Keep Bass, bring him off bench.
Try and trade Bradley and Melo for a real 2 guard that can score.
We need real scoring punch. Rondo will pick up the scoring slack too. He needs a scorer.

I remember when I touted James Harden and how he would be a max contract player and we should build with him and Rondo and people laughed saying he was over rated.
A scorer like him would be incredible. Might be possible to get one in the 2014 draft. Perhaps go again with group or tank as hard as we can to get a focal player or two for 2 years.
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2013, 07:27:24 AM »

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It's going to suck, while I think we can win some playoff games, it's looking more and more like being in the lottery would have been best.


Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 07:27:41 AM »

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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 07:45:32 AM »

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Why are you even a Celtics fan if you want to get rid of every celtic player out there?

There's nothing particularly un-Celtic fan like about his ideas, at least not if you are prescribing to the notion that you root for the laundry, not the players (It's the name in the front, not the back, that matters). Which I think is safe to say is the approach for most of the people around here.

  Root for the laundry to lose a lot of games for a number of seasons that is.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 07:56:24 AM »

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I still believe that KG and Pierce can be intregal parts to winning a championship and being a successfull team, but it HAS to come as more of a limited role. The question is, can that limited role be on this team? If it can, that means one or both need to be coming off the bench to anchor that core.

But to make that happen, we need to fill out the starting core with impact players. Do we have the money to do that in the offseason? Not really. Unless there is some way to unload Terry (Biggest offseason dissapointment) or somehow mess around with Pierce's money to have some of it come off the books. I still dont believe you can restructure contracts in the NBA, unless I missed something.

The one obvious offseason aquisition would be Josh Smith. Its no secret the guy wants to be here, he's best buddies with Rondo, and while I'm not a huge fan of the current Smith product, II think the kid has legit NBA talent that just hasnt been fully realized yet. If somehow we can get that done, it makes a pretty big impact on our roster, allowing us to shift pieces.

Rondo/Barbosa/Williams
Lee/signing/Pierce/Barbosa
Green/Pierce
Smith/KG/Green
Signing/KG/Randolph

Obviously this hinges on Terry being gone, and the roster filling out a bit, but I think that could be a possible lineup next year. With either KG starting at center and playing limited minutes there or coming off the bench and playing both minutes at the backup 4 and 5.

Should be an interesting offseason, personally, I think KG definitely comes back because his injuries are something that could be cured during offseason rest, and the guy loves playing basketball and loves playing for Doc and with Rondo.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2013, 07:59:54 AM »

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Not sure how much you gain by blowing it up in the off-season rather than trying to put it back together and reassessing at midseason.

Better draft pick perhaps but to get a top pick you have to move Rondo as well as KG, Pierce and maybe even a few of the role players. A full blow rebuild. Start from scratch. A blank canvas.

Short of that type of a rebuild, I don't think there is much to be gained by making this decision in the off-season rather than mid-season. I would be inclined to see if there is a way to improve the big man depth and come back again next season. See what is there.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 08:03:33 AM »

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8. Feature Jeff Green as the top offensive option and hope he produces with reasonable efficiency.  This will result in a lot of losses but that's okay.

Ugh, I really hope I don't have to watch happen in the next few years.

I have very little confidence in Jeff Green's ability to be a top scoring option. I would be inclined to dump J.Green too if entering a rebuilding mode. I would rather have the cap space back than have his contract on the books.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2013, 09:32:48 AM »

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First think Cs have to do, is to find a new GM. I like Larry Bird. Might be a great future if Larry will be Cs next GM. The situatuion facing now is DA "masterpiece". 2 games lost in playoff Vs NYK, showing us the ugly part of the team where there is no great shoters and how difficult is to score. DA composed a very very poor shoting team. Before tradeline wa told that Cs might sign JJ Redick, Korver etc, but he sign almost modest players. I do not like to talk about salary cap composing and sharing strategies, but is clear now that DA can not offer PP at age of 35 years old 15 mill/season(!?), and think how you can offer to great shoters like FR Smith or Carmelo ??? Again, in my opinion the time of DA as GM is facing the end. This should be the start point of opening a new future.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2013, 09:33:13 AM »

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Trying to find purpose, resolve, and reasons to be excited about this team moving forward is difficult in the wake losses like the ones the Celtics suffered Sunday and tonight.  There's not much out there on the floor to hold onto, so my way of coping is to look ahead to the future.


Here is my to-do list for the Celtics between now and the 2014 draft:

1. KG should retire.  Statistically, he had yet another solid season, but the cracks are showing.  The injury he's playing through this post-season is noticeably limiting him.  This is a state of affairs that will only become much more frequent if he keeps playing.  He's expressed that he doesn't want to play for another team; he likely could have been traded to the Clippers around the trade deadline this season if he wanted to, but he chose not to.  It's unfortunate that he couldn't close his career with another deep playoff run, but things are only going downhill from here -- both for KG as an individual player and for the Celtics as a team.

2. The team should sit down with Pierce, tell him that they wish him well, thank him for all that he's done for the franchise, and amnesty him.  Pierce can then join up with the contender of his choice for a discount on his true value, and spend the last season or three of his career being a very nice complementary piece on a good team.  "Celtic for life" is a nice thought, but not really that important in the long run.  Karl Malone will always be thought of as a Jazz guy.  Gary Payton will always be a Sonics guy.  Pierce will always be a Celtic, regardless of what uniform he's wearing when he retires.

3. Target the best player available in the draft.  The Celtics just need talent.  They aren't in a position to draft for need -- regardless of their lack of half-decent big men.  Even if it's a point guard, just take the guy who has the best chance of being an above average starter one day.

4. Salary dump Terry in the off-season.  It doesn't matter what it takes, if there's a team out there willing to take Terry for a 2nd round pick or even a flat salary dump with inconsequential consideration, the team should do it.  This pairing hasn't worked out for Terry or the Celtics, and everybody involved needs a fresh start.  The Celtics really would be better off with his salary off the books, too.

5. Explore trade options for Lee and Bass.  Neither player is likely to command a ton of value on the market this summer, but they have still shown this season, despite their struggles at times, that they have value for a playoff team.  The issue with them is that they are pretty much at their ceiling as players and they struggle if you put them in a situation where they are asked to do more than fill a very simple role.  That makes them a poor fit on a rebuilding team, which is what the Celtics are now.  Both have multiple years left on their contracts, and they made mid-level money or better, so it's in the team's best interest to get them off the books for flexibility's sake.  In short, players like Lee and Bass are a luxury a mediocre team can't afford.

6. In free agency, look for players who are available for a bargain, or who will take a one year deal.  Ideally get guys who have potential to raise their value so they could serve as a trade chip later, but the top priority is to fill out the roster with capable players without tying up future cap.  Needs: true backup point guard (Will Bynum, Beno Udrih), multiple centers (Mozgov, Dalembert, Blair, Splitter), and backup SF (Budinger, Wright, Ronnie Brewer, Marquis Daniels).

7. Bring Rondo and Sullinger back slowly from injury to give them the best opportunity to produce at a high level once they are back.  Hope that they can build their value back up as they play into shape.  Hope Rondo has a bounce-back All-Star season.

8. Feature Jeff Green as the top offensive option and hope he produces with reasonable efficiency.  This will result in a lot of losses but that's okay.

9. Shop everybody on the roster around trade deadline time -- in particular Rondo, Bradley, and Green -- in the hopes of securing a higher pick in the loaded 2014 draft, or getting a legitimate cornerstone prospect for the rebuild.

10. Miss the playoffs, get a solid lottery pick.  Dangle Rondo, Bradley, Green, and anybody else of significant trade value around draft time next year to try to secure multiple prospects or move up the draft if there's one guy in particular to target.

1.  Unfortunately, I'm starting to think you might be right on this one.  I'm hoping KG can bounce back in Boston and help tighten up this series so that he can go out on something of a high note. 

2.  Keep Paul Pierce.  He's still got something left in the tank.

3.  There may not be a lot of top level talent in this draft, but I feel like there will be a bunch of bigs left in the middle of the first round who have the potential to be very good pros.  I'm really hoping that Plumlee is still around when we pick.  If he's not, I'd like to see Danny take a chance on Austin.  Dieng, Adams, Muscala, Olynyk, Withey, McGary, and maybe even Noguiera or Gobert are other guys that I'd keep looking closely at. 

4.  I'm not sure how easy that will be.  We might be stuck with the Jet.

5.  Sure, if we can get something good in return.  If not, I don't mind keeping them around as solid role players.

6.  Yes, of course.  Try to sign cheap free agents with potential to get better.  Brandan Wright is a guy who is at the top of my list.

7.  Again, agreed.  Don't rush those guys.  But, I'm still hoping they'll be ready by training camp.

8.  I like Jeff Green's potential as a good complementary player to help build around alongside Rondo.  I'd love to see him be able to consistently be the player he has been for the second half of this season.

9.  Keep Rondo, Bradley, and Green.  I like that core.

10.  Make the playoffs.  Be healthy. 







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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2013, 10:02:22 AM »

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PhiSita- my impression of your list here is that (a) you think Garnett and Pierce are just about done and (b) you want to tank the 2013-2014 season, get everyone out of town (except for Jared Sullinger?), and start from scratch.

My question is, why do you have to get rid of Garnett and Pierce, then? How are you going to spend the money you save? You want to bid on some modestly priced young free agents so that you can keep cap flexibility and have some upside... but keeping Garnett and Pierce around next year will give you the same cap flexibility in 2014.

If we decide to blow it up next season, there is a chance that Pierce and Garnett will have trade value. No sense in pushing them out the door to expedite the blow-up.