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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2013, 12:11:58 PM »

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Thoughts:
1. I think he will.
2. If we are set on moving away from Pierce then we should trade him. I personally think KG will decide to retire and Pierce will follow.
3,4,5,7,8. Agree
6. If KG and Pierce retire plus we are able to unload some of Bass, Terry and Lee then we will have a lot of cap space. Let's say we get rid of all of those guys, I believe we would have around $25 MM in cap space (assuming we trade Pierce and don't have to pay his guaranteed money). With this money we could go after some solid young players to help build around like Pekovic and Evans. These players would add valuable trade chips that bring value to the team.
9. I am fine with shopping them but you don't give them away just in an effort to be bad and get a high draft pick. KG Pierce and Doc built a winning culture in Boston, keeping several of the young players on this team to carry on the Celtics way is important.
10. I think a healthy core of Rondo, Bradley, Green, and Sully competes for a playoff spot, so I am more interested in building around that core than dismantling it for a pick (even in a stacked draft)
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2013, 12:17:11 PM »

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for me personally....

1. keep pierce (unless he decides he want to retire).

2. try to get a slasher-type scorer

3. get a big that rebounds well, especially on the offensive glass.


i think everyone is tradeable to make #2 and 3 happen.  i want pierce to retire a celtic.  id like to keep kg if possible, but i wouldn't be upset if we had to move him (he would have to agree due to the no trade clause).

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2013, 12:23:40 PM »

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A Nick Young type could be an interesting option as a starting SG next season.

Someone who can put a lot of points on the board. Can shoot the ball, very good moving off of screens and can create a some off the dribble. Not expensive due to lack of non-scoring contributions so he could be available for the MLE.

If they do not rebuild I mean.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2013, 12:29:34 PM »

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I agree with 1 and 2. Unfortunately, I think the quicker we get rid of  KG and PP, everyone (fans, coaching, management) will get over the big 3 era and will decide to start building a team atmosphere around what we've got.

My issue is, if you get rid of these people it's tough to say bring Rondo and Sully back Sully. No, they're going to have to have amazing recoveries and play better than how they played last year.

I don't mind JG being the focal point. When he is the focal point of our offense, we win games. When he's not, there's obviously something missing. I don't think he's a #1 guy, but def a #2. If Rondo becomes CP3 like in his shooting abilities, I do not have a problem with us working kind of like OKC where Rondo = RW and JG = KD, just kind of in reverse (cuz JG would be #2 option).

I'm not sure I agree with dangling all of them at the trade deadline. I'd rather keep a guy like JET and Lee to dangle at the trade deadline. I would trade Bass and maybe Crawford for a guy that at least has some height...I'd also like to keep Shav. But I do also kind of like Crawford.

If we're going to be a young and dumb team, that's absolutely fine with me. I'm ready for it and the more I watch these playsoff, the more I wish we missed it all together. It's time to move away from the pick and pop type of big and let's get a guy who can really rebound. Let's get a formidable back up for Rondo (which I think we should keep T-Will).

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2013, 01:16:54 PM »

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I am philosophically opposed to tanking.  I dislike it so much that I would be in favor of the NBA eliminating the draft altogether and just allowing teams to sign youngsters right out of high school (or earlier) as free agents.  I abhor the fact that a majority of fans of half the teams in the league in any given year are rooting for their team to lose as many games as possible.  It just flies in the face of anything that I like about sports and competition.

Having said all that, and given that the elimination of the draft won't happen, if the Celtics really want to tank next year, why not just sit Rondo out for a couple of extra months and not rush it, make sure he's absolutely, 100%, fully healed when he gets back.  Let Avery, Jeff, and Sully run the show, put Melo in the rotation, along with Bass, T-Will, Crawford, Randolph, and our first round draft pick from this year's draft. 

No need to rush KG and Paul out of town.  If they look strong to start the season, and the team plays well, go for it again.  If not, there'll be plenty of injuries for a 37 year old and a 38 year old with tons of miles on their bodies that will require plenty of rest. 

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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2013, 01:52:10 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2013, 01:55:43 PM »

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KG will retire when KG wants to.  You can't say that's something the C's should do.  Yes to me they should revisit the Clippers trade, who knows ..

PP will be open to things IF KG isn't there but once again he will have some control over that believe me 9that's just the way DA operates).  If you don't move him in the off season and things don't look good then you look at it again at the trade deadline. 

You don't just dump Terry, sorry that's not being realistic.  The only way yo get rid of him is having to take on someone else's issues.

They have looked at moving Lee and Bass so that's nothing new..

If you can get Rondo and Sullinger healthy and continue Green's development then along with KG and PP you have a good nucleus. Yes you need another Scorer and yes you need another Big, but you are getting there

The Celtics won't tank that just isn't happening.  BTW their motto has always been take the best avaialble player so that's not changing either... 

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2013, 02:01:58 PM »

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The Celtics are a real fine mess right now, no doubt. I'm not too hopeful of their chances to make this a series, but anything can happen, right?

That said, even if they survive this round, I can't see them having enough left to survive another. As for next season ...

1) I love KG and Pierce, but they really seem to have little left. Sure, they'd probably feel, and look, better after an offseason of rest, but they'll probably be right back in the same (rough) shape by this time next season, maybe worse. That said, I don't know what to do about it. KG refuses to be traded. And I dislike the idea of paying them big bucks to play only 20 minutes a game. And they may not even be able to have much of an impact in only 20 minutes per game anyway.

2) Rondo, Sully, and even Bradley and Green, seem like good pieces to build around, but I think it'll be hard to hang onto all four of them while trying to land the team's next superstar. Unless we get super-lucky in the draft, which has been pretty unkind to Boston in recent years (Duncan, etc.), Boston may very well have to trade one or more of those four in order to land its next franchise player. Free agency? Again, anything's possible, but my understanding is that we won't have much cap space until a couple summers from now, which does us no good next season.

3) I really think Terry is cooked. It might be difficult to unload him, but at this point I'd trade him for virtually anything.

4) It's clear we need some good bigs, and I'm a firm believer that unless you have LeBron James on your team, you need to have great size in order to win a title, but going for the best player available in the draft is probably the right move. If that's a big, great; if not, it's another asset that Danny can possibly use to swing a trade for our next franchise player.

5) We need at least two players who can just put the dang ball in the basket consistently, preferably by attacking the rim as well as by shooting from outside.

6) Certain aspects of the team's culture/system need to change. Example: Players known as capable scorers for other teams lose their mojo in Boston, suddenly becoming incapable of creating their own shot or consistently hitting open jumpers, hesitant to attack the rim, and unable to get to the foul line for easy points. It just baffles me how so many players stand around and watch Pierce and KG, never moving, or seem to not know what to do once they do get the ball. At pretty much every place I've ever played basketball, guys move around on offense, guys try to attack the rim—it's the natural, instinctive thing to do for anyone who knows basketball—but it's like players who come to Boston undergo some weird metaphysical process by which they become offensive zombies.
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2013, 02:08:51 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

I'd do that. Some people think Gasol is done, but his play since returning from injury several weeks ago tells me he's still a dynamic and dangerous player—not just a double-double threat but a triple-double threat. A frontcourt of Gasol, Sully, and KG (even a diminished KG) would be sweet.
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2013, 02:10:22 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

I'd do that. Some people think Gasol is done, but his play since returning from injury several weeks ago tells me he's still a dynamic and dangerous player—not just a double-double threat but a triple-double threat. A frontcourt of Gasol, Sully, and KG (even a diminished KG) would be sweet.

I like that, but I wouldn't trade Pierce or Green for him.
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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2013, 02:27:55 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

I'd do that. Some people think Gasol is done, but his play since returning from injury several weeks ago tells me he's still a dynamic and dangerous player—not just a double-double threat but a triple-double threat. A frontcourt of Gasol, Sully, and KG (even a diminished KG) would be sweet.

I like that, but I wouldn't trade Pierce or Green for him.

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Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2013, 02:30:26 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

I'd do that. Some people think Gasol is done, but his play since returning from injury several weeks ago tells me he's still a dynamic and dangerous player—not just a double-double threat but a triple-double threat. A frontcourt of Gasol, Sully, and KG (even a diminished KG) would be sweet.

Yes, I would be very interested in making deal too.

Pau Gasol would give this team a major lift and give Boston one of the most talented front lines in the league.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2013, 02:49:17 PM »

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I want the C's to trade for Pau Gasol.  Offer up Jeff Green or Paul Pierce.

Build a Memphis style team, with pressure defense and speed in the backcourt (Rondo/Bradley/Lee) and a big skilled frontcourt (Pierce or Green/KG/Pau/Sully).  A team that can punish Miami in the paint and hound them on the perimeter.

I'd do that. Some people think Gasol is done, but his play since returning from injury several weeks ago tells me he's still a dynamic and dangerous player—not just a double-double threat but a triple-double threat. A frontcourt of Gasol, Sully, and KG (even a diminished KG) would be sweet.

I like that, but I wouldn't trade Pierce or Green for him.


I would ship Green in a heartbeat for Gasol now.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2013, 03:38:25 PM »

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Keep Rondo, Pierce, KG, Terry, and Green.

Use Bradley, Bass, Lee, Melo and picks as trade bait.

Sign a Mid level big if available.

Re: 10 Things Celtics Should Do in 2013-2014
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2013, 03:45:50 PM »

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Keep Rondo, Pierce, KG, Terry, and Green.

Use Bradley, Bass, Lee, Melo and picks as trade bait.

Sign a Mid level big if available.

If KG wants to stay another year, fine by me. But KG/Pierce need to take a pay cut, especially since that'll mean we could sign a decent F/A in the off season if they do. I'm pretty sure KG couldn't, but if we could get rid of Bass/Lee/Terry contracts somehow, even for a draft pick it'll allow us to try to obtain someone decent at the 5 in F/A.

I still hope we pursue Josh Smith, and draft a nice center with potential. Hopefully Fab Melo gets his stuff together, and will be a decent serviceable back up big. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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