I miss Rondo

[BballTim]

Actually, Mario is better.

Totally agree.

I mean, have you guys even SEEN how high Super Mario can jump?  And don't get me started on his ability to pass.  The way he throws those turtle shells is way more impressive than Rondo.

And how about his versatility?  He races, he plays soccer, he plays tennis, hell, he plays in the freaking Olympic Games for crying out loud.  Rondo is such a wuss for not wanting to play.  Trade him.

Gosh, Mario is WAY better than Rondo.  Seriously.

His stats are skewed by peaking in the 2 dimensional era.

  I still remember the first time my kids showed me their first 3d mario game. I'd be heading for the castle and I'd fall off the side of the bridge I was trying to cross. They were falling down laughing watching me play. Good times.

[eugen]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

  We've gotten to game 7 of the finals and game 7 of the ecf in the last 3 years. Go ahead and start a list of players that have led their teams to more success over that period of time. I'm sure it will be fairly long.

Even Vujacic has 2 NBA titles...and what?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

The many replies and rebuttals to nearly every single post you have made on this forum clearly show that numerous people not only hope on his potential but believe in his present reality for that very goal.

[BballTim]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

  We've gotten to game 7 of the finals and game 7 of the ecf in the last 3 years. Go ahead and start a list of players that have led their teams to more success over that period of time. I'm sure it will be fairly long.

Even Vujacic has 2 NBA titles...and what?

  Yes, clearly he *led* his team to those titles.

[eugen]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

The many replies and rebuttals to nearly every single post you have made on this forum clearly show that numerous people not only hope on his potential but believe in his present reality for that very goal.

Hoping and being realistic are to very different issues

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

The many replies and rebuttals to nearly every single post you have made on this forum clearly show that numerous people not only hope on his potential but believe in his present reality for that very goal.

Hoping and being realistic are to very different issues

the "realism", "objective", "truthful" game is long and never concluding. I obviously think I am being "realistic" in thinking Rondo is the caliber of player who can lead a team to an NBA title. You obviously do not. But dismissing any disagreement with your persistently protested opinion by saying it is just being "realistic" does nothing to forward any kind of conversation. It is an all too common rhetorical strategy around here, not limited to yourself, and pretty much precludes any productive dialogue. And, obviously, as stated above, it isn't plain as day objectivity or realism if there are so many people who routinely disagree with what you state as fact.

[eugen]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

  We've gotten to game 7 of the finals and game 7 of the ecf in the last 3 years. Go ahead and start a list of players that have led their teams to more success over that period of time. I'm sure it will be fairly long.

Even Vujacic has 2 NBA titles...and what?

  Yes, clearly he *led* his team to those titles.

Same as Rondo who "led" Cs to get the championship in 2008. The ring of 2008 was beacuse of big3 factor. Rondo never have big player in order to hope. Yes, is a good player but nothing better than that. Is overrated

[BballTim]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

  We've gotten to game 7 of the finals and game 7 of the ecf in the last 3 years. Go ahead and start a list of players that have led their teams to more success over that period of time. I'm sure it will be fairly long.

Even Vujacic has 2 NBA titles...and what?

  Yes, clearly he *led* his team to those titles.

Same as Rondo who "led" Cs to get the championship in 2008. The ring of 2008 was beacuse of big3 factor. Rondo never have big player in order to hope. Yes, is a good player but nothing better than that. Is overrated

  You're right, Rondo didn't lead the Cs to the 2008  championship, that was the big 3. That's obviously not what I was talking about. As we've seen in the past, a team with Rondo has a decent chance against a team with a player like LeBron. It's hard to overrate that.

[ejk3489]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

But I also referenced Bosh. And it doesn't have to be a now. Can be a later type of thing.
PP and KG weren't awful in 2009 and 2010..sure maybe in 2011, but did we win anything? Didn't AB spark our regular season run with his defense? Didn't PP consistently do the most work in the playoffs? Rondo had great games, for sure, but wasn't it PP who was CONSISTENT? Wasn't it KG who was also consistent?

My point is mainly that I think it's no coincidence that as Rondo's role has increased, the poorer we've done. I mean, we went 6 with the Hawks and 7 with the 76ers. It's not like we're this great team either way, let's be honest.

2008- Won NBA Finals
2009- lost 2nd round
2010- lost NBA Finals
2011- lost 2nd round
2012- lost ECF

How exactly does that correlate to the Celtics getting worse after every year Rondo's role has increased...? It seems to me like the healthier the C's best players are (KG/Rondo/PP), the farther they go in the playoffs. Not only that, but the two years that they've got the closest to winning a championship again (2010 and 2012), Rondo played one of the biggest roles on the team. Just because they didn't win doesn't mean it's not impressive. How many other players in the league aside from Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, and Wade can claim that they've taken their team to multiple conference finals and a finals appearance? Not many.

[CelticConcourse]

2008- Won NBA Finals
2009- lost 2nd round
2010- lost NBA Finals
2011- lost 2nd round
2012- lost ECF
2013- won NBA Finals

[KGs Knee]

Rondo is useless.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

But I also referenced Bosh. And it doesn't have to be a now. Can be a later type of thing.
PP and KG weren't awful in 2009 and 2010..sure maybe in 2011, but did we win anything? Didn't AB spark our regular season run with his defense? Didn't PP consistently do the most work in the playoffs? Rondo had great games, for sure, but wasn't it PP who was CONSISTENT? Wasn't it KG who was also consistent?

My point is mainly that I think it's no coincidence that as Rondo's role has increased, the poorer we've done. I mean, we went 6 with the Hawks and 7 with the 76ers. It's not like we're this great team either way, let's be honest.

2008- Won NBA Finals
2009- lost 2nd round
2010- lost NBA Finals
2011- lost 2nd round
2012- lost ECF

How exactly does that correlate to the Celtics getting worse after every year Rondo's role has increased...? It seems to me like the healthier the C's best players are (KG/Rondo/PP), the farther they go in the playoffs. Not only that, but the two years that they've got the closest to winning a championship again (2010 and 2012), Rondo played one of the biggest roles on the team. Just because they didn't win doesn't mean it's not impressive. How many other players in the league aside from Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, and Wade can claim that they've taken their team to multiple conference finals and a finals appearance? Not many.

apparently, if you continually repeat the opposite of your astute point, it somehow becomes "true." somehow it is better to dismiss all context when denigrating Rondo, conveniently when that context goes counter to whatever impressionistic eyetest is applied.

[BASS_THUMPER]

im sorry but
i dont miss him..

[CelticsFan9]

im sorry but
i dont miss him..

Why?

[BASS_THUMPER]

im sorry but
i dont miss him..

Why?

if he was traded?...then yeah
but he is hurt..so we move on..
cant worry bout what we dont have
we need to roll with what we got