I miss Rondo

[CelticConcourse]

Actually, Mario is better.

Yeah, and I am sure you are one of those that ranks Rondo somewhere between 21-30 among PGs in the league.

I'll just be in the corner exploding... 

[guava_wrench]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

And I suppose KG was a better player in 2008 than he ever was in Minny because he got a ring? Same for 2010 because he made the finals?

Now Rondo has no role. And the team is not good. They were not good during the regular season, and they often embarrassed themselves on Saturday. Hopefully the defense can pull us through, but look at the team Rondo was playing with. This is not a team with 3 HOF players still playing at or near all-star levels.

Are you going to start blaming the young guys that played with Bird, McHale and Parish for the Celtics declining performance as people got old?

And Chalmers is not Rondo. Not even close. And Pierce is not Wade. Not even close at this point in their careers, and Wade's peak is better than Pierce's peak. The strategy that Doc started with Pierce, even before KG came, got Pierce a ring. Now you want Obie Pierce again?

Go back over the last few years. No KG knee injury, out for playoffs. One game away from championship. Rondo injured arm in playoffs. Last year, Heat were just better than us, yet we still put up a fight. What evidence is there against Rondo when we look at playoff performance? We have actually over-performed with him leading us in the playoffs!

[bobbyv]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

[kgainez]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

But I also referenced Bosh. And it doesn't have to be a now. Can be a later type of thing.
PP and KG weren't awful in 2009 and 2010..sure maybe in 2011, but did we win anything? Didn't AB spark our regular season run with his defense? Didn't PP consistently do the most work in the playoffs? Rondo had great games, for sure, but wasn't it PP who was CONSISTENT? Wasn't it KG who was also consistent?

My point is mainly that I think it's no coincidence that as Rondo's role has increased, the poorer we've done. I mean, we went 6 with the Hawks and 7 with the 76ers. It's not like we're this great team either way, let's be honest.

[sed522002]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

Without Rondo, they wouldn't have even sniffed the ECF..Sixers were minutes away from advancing, then PP fouled out and Rondo STEPPED up. Without KG and Rondo last yr they barely make it out the 1st round.

[kgainez]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

Without Rondo, they wouldn't have even sniffed the ECF..Sixers were minutes away from advancing, then PP fouled out and Rondo STEPPED up. Without KG and Rondo last yr they barely make it out the 1st round.

that's great
what I'm saying is we had the opportunity to win in 5, 5 and 6 (on to finals)

[bobbyv]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

Without Rondo, they wouldn't have even sniffed the ECF..Sixers were minutes away from advancing, then PP fouled out and Rondo STEPPED up. Without KG and Rondo last yr they barely make it out the 1st round.

that's great
what I'm saying is we had the opportunity to win in 5, 5 and 6 (on to finals)

And you're blaming Rondo for that? Sure, makes sense.

[BballTim]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

  No, there's just you not having any idea what's been happening to the team. KG's gone from being an MVP candidate to an above average player who's only effective in limited minutes. Paul went from being a top 10 or so player to being a top 5 or so sf. Ray went from being one of the best scorers in the nba to Avery Bradley's backup. I don't know if all of that escaped your attention or if you don't understand what the effect of those changes might have on a team, neither of which is impressive.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

  Ineffective enough to get us to the finals one year and the ecf another. I realize what happened might not square up with your circa 2008 snapshot of the Celts but it happened. In the playoffs last year Rondo scored or assisted a higher percentage of his team's points than any other player in the league. Claiming he's ineffective is pure nonsense.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

  If you aren't that familiar with whether those players had bigger roles on worse teams I guess we could try closer to home. Pierce had a much bigger role on the 2007 Celts than he did on the much better title team. Ray had a much bigger role on the 07 Sonics than he did on the title team. KG had a much bigger role on the 07 Wolves than he did on the title team. See a pattern? Again, I don't understand what isn't obvious about star players having to do more on teams where the other players can't contribute as much, or understand why you wouldn't think having to do more equals having a bigger role.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

Without Rondo, they wouldn't have even sniffed the ECF..Sixers were minutes away from advancing, then PP fouled out and Rondo STEPPED up. Without KG and Rondo last yr they barely make it out the 1st round.

that's great
what I'm saying is we had the opportunity to win in 5, 5 and 6 (on to finals)

2008: Boston/Atlanta 7 games.
      Boston/Cleveland 7 games
      Boston/Detroit 6 games

The point you are attempting to make makes zero sense.

[BballTim]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

  If Chalmers was capable of playing as well as Rondo then the point would be to win games. Say Wade gets old and Bosh is getting ineffective, what's the point in *not* trying to expand the roles of other players? To watch the team deteriorate around LeBron and not try to compete for a title?

[BballTim]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

Sorry, but your point was wrong. Mario Chalmers doesn't have to take a bigger role because D Wade is still a superstar. Lebron James will be one until he retires. And Bosh is an all-star. They are all young. Your point doesn't make sense, because you fail to mention the fact that KG is not the same player he was 6 years ago, and neither is Pierce. Rondo stepped up not because he only wanted to, but because he had to. 2009 playoffs is a good example of that. As well as last year. Go look at PP and Ray Allen's shooting percentage last year in the playoffs, and then come tell me Rondo should have had the same role he did in 08.

But I also referenced Bosh. And it doesn't have to be a now. Can be a later type of thing.
PP and KG weren't awful in 2009 and 2010..sure maybe in 2011, but did we win anything? Didn't AB spark our regular season run with his defense? Didn't PP consistently do the most work in the playoffs? Rondo had great games, for sure, but wasn't it PP who was CONSISTENT? Wasn't it KG who was also consistent?

  Rondo consistently did the most work in the playoffs. Last year he played 19 playoff games, had 10 or more assists in 16 of them and had more assists than any other pg had in any single game in the postseason in about half of them.

[CelticsFan9]

Actually, Mario is better.

Totally agree.

I mean, have you guys even SEEN how high Super Mario can jump?  And don't get me started on his ability to pass.  The way he throws those turtle shells is way more impressive than Rondo.

And how about his versatility?  He races, he plays soccer, he plays tennis, hell, he plays in the freaking Olympic Games for crying out loud.  Rondo is such a wuss for not wanting to play.  Trade him.

Gosh, Mario is WAY better than Rondo.  Seriously.

[eugen]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

[fairweatherfan]

Actually, Mario is better.

Totally agree.

I mean, have you guys even SEEN how high Super Mario can jump?  And don't get me started on his ability to pass.  The way he throws those turtle shells is way more impressive than Rondo.

And how about his versatility?  He races, he plays soccer, he plays tennis, hell, he plays in the freaking Olympic Games for crying out loud.  Rondo is such a wuss for not wanting to play.  Trade him.

Gosh, Mario is WAY better than Rondo.  Seriously.

His stats are skewed by peaking in the 2 dimensional era.

[BballTim]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo is overrated player in general. I do not think that somebody is truly hoping on Rondo potencial to give Cs a new NBA ring...

  We've gotten to game 7 of the finals and game 7 of the ecf in the last 3 years. Go ahead and start a list of players that have led their teams to more success over that period of time. I'm sure it will be fairly long.