I miss Rondo

[Greenback]

Then you admit that Rondo as supporting cast is more and more  responsible over time for the Celtics decline. 

Rondo would not be a considered a franchise player then because the Celtics have gotten worse - not better over time and he takes on more and more of a role.

If follows then, that Rondo would be useless in the playoffs.

[sed522002]

sed522022,

I have been saying Rondo is useless for several years - when the big 3 first formed.

My opinion hasn't changed.  It is interesting that as Rondo has taken on a bigger role, the Celtics has gotten worse over time.

Rondo has taken on a bigger role and our vets have gotten older and our bench has gotten worse.

Fair enough that you've been saying Rondo has been useless for years even though I disagree entirely, but to put out a statement like "Rondo has taken on a bigger role and we've gotten worse" without acknowledging the other major shifts is pointless and misleading.

Totally..Even the great Lebron James had to leave his team because he didn't have a good supporting cast.

[BballTim]

Then you admit that Rondo as supporting cast is more and more  responsible over time for the Celtics decline. 

Rondo would not be a considered a franchise player then because the Celtics have gotten worse - not better over time and he takes on more and more of a role.

If follows then, that Rondo would be useless in the playoffs.

  I'm not sure why this isn't obvious to everyone, but the worse the supporting cast, the bigger role the star player takes on. Chris Paul put up his best numbers on crappy NO teams, LeBron put up his best numbers in Cleveland, Kobe scored the most on crappy LA teams. Heck, even MJ had his highest scoring year on a team with a losing record. Does it follow that those players are useless in the playoffs? Does it mean they aren't franchise players? If not, you need to re-think your method of analyzing Bball players.

[bobbyv]

DId someone actually say Rondo is useless? That's a first. I've heard bad, unmotivated and lazy, but useless?

Here's a quick stat for those who think Rondo brings down the team

Last years playoffs Rondo posted a PER of 22
Offensive Rating during the playoffs? 105
Defensive Rating? 99

Whoops, there goes the useless and ball-hog and slows down the offense arguments 

[sed522002]

Then you admit that Rondo as supporting cast is more and more  responsible over time for the Celtics decline. 

Rondo would not be a considered a franchise player then because the Celtics have gotten worse - not better over time and he takes on more and more of a role.

If follows then, that Rondo would be useless in the playoffs.

That doesn't make much sense..that's like saying Lebron was useless with the Cavs because of his cast. I really don't know what to say

[kgainez]

  Most people can spot the fairly obvious connection between a team missing it's point guard and that team having trouble executing on offense.

This point guard lead the team to 20-23 score during regular season...So under .500 score. I do not know how "important" can be a point guard like this for the team...Please

  Great argument, especially if you've never seen the team play before this year (especially in the playoffs) and are unaware of many of the reasons that the team was struggling early in the season.

Pretty much. I know this is a fairly nebulous idea, but there's leagues of difference between Regular Season, pad-my-stats-and-make-the-hardest-possible-pass-to-keep-myself-entertained Rondo (who I can take or leave, depending on the night) and has-the-potential-to-be-the-best-player-on-the-floor-with-no-exceptions Playoff Rondo.

there's nothing i hate more than this argument lol
like nothing man. wow

[Greenback]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

[bobbyv]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

I'd like to see some evidence of this if you don't mind. Other than 20-23.

[kgainez]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

[guava_wrench]

We really miss Rondo. From day one, I think most people on the forum agreed that we would really miss Rondo come playoffs. We seem to be vindicated, not due to the loss, but due to the horrific passing to get the offense started. It was really embarrassing.

The replacements really don't know what to do with the ball on offense. That shows is the horrible passes. It is even worse in crunch time. Not only did it mean us not scoring, but it also led to easy transition buckets for the Knicks.

I think we can still pull of an upset in the series if Melo continues to bog down the Knicks offense, but we will continue to suffer for Rondo's loss. Terry not being horrible would also help.

[bobbyv]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

[zimbo]

LOL@ the folks denying Rondo's importance.

[kgainez]

The definition of useless, according to Merriam Webster is:

a : ineffectual <a useless attempt>

As stated, the Celtics have gotten worse as Rondo has taken on more of a role over time - in the regular season and the playoffs.  There is a correlation there.

By wishing the Celtics had Rondo and expect the Celtics to win in the playoffs is useless (and it would be ineffective).  Rondo's talent does not move the needle.

As far MJ, LeBron, Paul, - Rondo's not them.  As MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Paul have taken on biggeer roles their teams seem to have improved accordingly.  Don't compare apples to oranges and muddy the water with personal attacks.

It is abundantly clear to many people on here, who are interested in winning, that the Celtics need to make changes and that Rondo has been the beneficiary of the big 3, who have won in spite of Rondo's deficiencies.  Rondo has not been able to take up any slack with an aging core - in fact we have continually lost ground.  It would lead one to believe that he is replaceable with any run of the mill point guard.  If the Celtics had Chris Paul, even with aging big 3, it would be safe to say they would be much better off. 

What upsets people is that people want to keep overrating Rondo. 

Its like as GK Chesteron said, "My mother, drunk or sober."

smh
TP for you

and it's not that I think Rondo is useless, I do think you have to make a correlation between Rondo's greater years vs his 2008 year when he won a ring. He's unncessarily gained a larger role.

Let's assume Spo would feel like Bosh isn't doing enough or that Wade is getting old, so he increases Mario Chalmers role. Could you imagine that? Even with Mario's 3s, his big shots and other fair qualities, what's the point?

Doc did that. And I mean, you can't get too mad at Doc because of it. But since then we've done 0. and by 0 I mean we've gotten no banners and had okay reg season records.

I think Cs fans overrate lots of players. But particularly RR, PP (sometimes) and Doc.

Now he's Mario Chalmers? 

Thank you for missing the point and going extremely literal.

[Greenback]

Actually, Mario is better.

[zimbo]

Actually, Mario is better.

Yeah, and I am sure you are one of those that ranks Rondo somewhere between 21-30 among PGs in the league.